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‘God Made Me Gay’
https://www.catholic.com ^ | April 11 2019 | Trent Horn

Posted on 04/12/2019 9:06:20 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45

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In a speech at a gay-advocacy fundraiser Sunday, Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg defended his homosexuality in a remark aimed at vice president Mike Pence, a proponent of traditional marriage. Insisting that his homosexual behavior and legal marriage to another man do not contradict his beliefs as an Episcopalian Christian, Buttigieg said:

"My marriage to Chasten has made me a better man and yes, Mr. Vice President, it has moved me closer to God . . . If me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade. And that’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand—that if you’ve got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator."

Some Christians respond to this argument with what seems to be the only alternative: by saying that those who identify as gay choose to be gay. This response is usually met with so much derision—“With all the homophobia in the world, who would choose to be gay??”. . . “Did you choose to be straight??”—that it’s seldom helpful.

In one sense, of course, it’s true. If by gay you mean “a person who engages in homosexual behavior,” then God doesn’t make someone gay any more than he makes someone an adulterer, a fornicator, or a man who has relations with just his wife. God doesn’t make people engage in any sexual behaviors. We freely choose all our moral actions—that’s why we can be held accountable for them.

But when most people say, “God made me gay,” they’re talking about attractions (which they consider part of a God-given identity) rather than behaviors. Although, this implies that they’re also talking about whether it’s okay to act upon those desires, since it seems self-evident to most people that we can act according to how we’re made.

In order to make that clear, when someone says that God made him gay, or that he makes other people gay, you should ask two questions:

Are you saying God caused you (or them) to have attractions to people of the same sex? Are you saying God wants you (or them) to act on those desires?

If they answer yes to both questions, the natural follow up is to ask, “Why?”

That is, “How do you know that God causes people to have same-sex attractions and that he wants them to indulge those desires?”

A lot of people will say that God “made them gay” because they have had deep-seated attractions to people of the same sex for as long as they can remember. This appeal to personal experience is so compelling to so many people that Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, in their 1989 “gay manifesto” After the Ball, recommended that homosexual advocates work to persuade the public that “gays are victims of circumstance, that they no more chose their sexual orientation than they did, say, their height, skin color, talents, or limitations.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; genderdysphoria; homosexualagenda; indiana; mikepence; petebuttigieg; southbend
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1 posted on 04/12/2019 9:06:20 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

God made me ‘homophobic’...


2 posted on 04/12/2019 9:09:59 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Para-Ord.45

Maybe he was made gay, but that doesn’t mean he is suited for leadership.


3 posted on 04/12/2019 9:10:45 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ( "It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: Para-Ord.45

The Devil can quote Scripture, and often does.

Pete Buttigieg keeps using the word “creator”.

“You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.”


4 posted on 04/12/2019 9:11:15 AM PDT by alloysteel (Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori [Latin for"Sweet and fitting it is to die for one's country."])
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To: Para-Ord.45

Something sounds queer about that..
Does he think God made people transgendered or pedophiles?


5 posted on 04/12/2019 9:13:48 AM PDT by Leep (It's.. (W)all or nothing..!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Nope, YOU made a choice to be in a gay lifestyle. I thought it was always a choice until someone such as this guy began to blame God for the way he is.


6 posted on 04/12/2019 9:14:27 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: Para-Ord.45

Faggie Butty Gig sure is gonna pull in all those “undecideds”.


7 posted on 04/12/2019 9:14:35 AM PDT by elcid1970 (My gun safe is saying, "Room for one more, honey!")
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If we could just do a DNA test on the unborn fetus for a high chance of being born gay, parents could use it as a justification for abortion...


8 posted on 04/12/2019 9:15:03 AM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: Para-Ord.45

So?


9 posted on 04/12/2019 9:15:22 AM PDT by mindburglar (Stupid is supposed to hurt. - Lurkers Granddad.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

sorry fella=- God made you heterosexual- you hardened your heart and delved into a sinful abomination all on your own- You lusted after men and fed that lust until you crossed the lien and had relations with them- all while the Holy spirit was trying to point out to you what an abomination it was and to flee- You didn’t listen, hardened your heart- and now are falsely claiming God ‘made you do it’- man up and admit that YOU ignored God’s warnings against it and pursued your sinful lustful desires!


10 posted on 04/12/2019 9:17:49 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Para-Ord.45

God made me a drug addict. Accept it!


11 posted on 04/12/2019 9:17:49 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: All

Butthead is repeating Obama’s position on abortion:

http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/08/16/obama-says-pointed-abortion-query-above-his-pay-grade/


12 posted on 04/12/2019 9:18:52 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Para-Ord.45

Yeah? Well, God makes me call you a lying sack of degenerate depravity.


13 posted on 04/12/2019 9:19:52 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Para-Ord.45
For whatever reason, homosexuality seems to be a sin that the people who engage in it almost never fight the temptation. For instance, I've known people, even preachers from the pulpit, ask for prayers to help him deal with various temptations like pride, selfishness, lust, greed, etc.

But you'll never hear a leader say with a Christian theme that he's proud to do whatever sin (i.e. God made him an adulterer, he serves God by stealing, etc.). That is, you don't hear it unless the sin is homosexuality. In my opinion, homosexuality itself is no greater a sin than other sins, but it is the sin that the sinners seem to be most proud to do and demand we all embrace. It's the devotion to the sin that makes it worse.

14 posted on 04/12/2019 9:20:00 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: BwanaNdege
I know it's a common phrase that the left likes to use, but I dislike the use of the term "homophobic". It implies that you have a "fear" of homosexuals. I don't "fear" them, but I do disapprove of their lifestyle.

phobic-
"having or involving an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."
"a person with an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."

15 posted on 04/12/2019 9:21:39 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Leep

“Does he think God made people transgendered or pedophiles?”

God knows all.


16 posted on 04/12/2019 9:21:52 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Para-Ord.45

God gets blamed for a lot of things He didn’t do.


17 posted on 04/12/2019 9:25:55 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Leep

These dolts rationalize their sins by saying that because they have “urges”, God made them that way. Serial killers have urges. Rapists have urges. Thieves have urges. Pedophiles have urges. Since God “made them that way”, then they’re fine.


18 posted on 04/12/2019 9:26:46 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed thee ... I knew thee.")
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To: Para-Ord.45
"My marriage to Chasten has made me a better man and yes, Mr. Vice President, it has moved me closer to God

No, you poor deludes sinner ... it has moved you closer to hell.

Repent, Peter, while you still can.

And folks, don't EVER name your son "Chasten".

Don't even THINK about it.

19 posted on 04/12/2019 9:29:15 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Pence never did anything to chap this guy’s cheeks except to adhere to Biblical marriage from Genesis which has servec most of the human race for thousands of years

Obviously sodomites have their choice of many churches that view the Bible as an outdated reference work and will marry them

but it’s just NOT enough drama


20 posted on 04/12/2019 9:29:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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