Posted on 02/13/2019 8:17:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I would add a t: Celebritanity. I like it. Goes with Churchianity.
I am now automatically suspicious of celebrities like Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, Greg Laurie.
What does the US Constitution have to do with the KJV? They are not even coeval.
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US Constitution (KJV), I’ll pass.
It’s far past time that we make ALL of our laws comport with the LAW OF GOD....which was to say that infusing the law of the land with the law of God, resulting in something like a Constitution (KJV), is something I'd take a pass on.
It has not been argued that “water saves” so that is a straw man argument. It is the -act of obedience- in submitting to water baptism as commanded by Christ that saves, it’s not the water that saves. It was the -act of obedience- in dipping 7 times in the Jordan River that God cleansed Naaman, it was NOT the water that cleansed Naaman.
—Rev 1:5 it is the blood of Christ that washes away sins.
—John 19:34 Christ shed His blood in His death.
—Rom 6:3-4 water baptism is the means as to how one gets into the death of Christ where He shed His blood whereby that blood washes away sin.
Faith only cannot get one into the death of Christ. Denying water baptism is not accepting the gospel of Christ. Acts 2:41-—those who gladly received the gospel were the ones baptized. Those who rejected the gospel were the ones who rejected Peter’s command to be baptized. Therefore logically, being baptized is accepting the gospel.
How do you get paid for your work? Is it remuneration in justice for the work that you have done, or is it because you cash a paycheck?
The first is a meritorious cause; the second is an instrumental cause. There is no opposition between them.
The merits of the Cross of Christ are the meritorious cause of our justification, while the waters of baptism are the instrumental cause. Once again, they are not opposed to each other.
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ” (Galatians 1:6-10 KJV).
What is that Gospel?
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (I Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).
Nothing about being baptized before a man is saved, it follows after . . . only.
However, there is a spiritual baptism that takes place as well as a circumcision.
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses” (Colossians 2:10-13 KJV).
My only message to anyone seeking salvation by any other way than the death, burial and resurrection of Christ is . . . “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3, 5 KJV).
On my list. Thanks!
I’m reading the Kindle edition.... I like it as I am highlighting quite a bit. I’ll go back and cut & paste later.
You will enjoy it.... it’s an eye opener.
Perhaps I'll one day accept a religion when all the finger pointing, inter faith criticisms, church scandals and all the other negative crap your churches and their leaders are being accused and convicted of comes to an end.........
Till then, I'll just accept the fact that there is a God and all the religions around the world, including yours, are just the product of civilizations trying to put meaning to the unexplainable........
2 Thess 1:8 “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:”
If one does not want to be lost in flaming fire, then one must obey the gospel of Christ.
As you point out from 1 Cor 15:1-4 that the gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Therefore if one must obey the gospel per 2 Thess 1:8 as to not be in flaming fire and the gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Christ per 1 Cor 15:1-4, then how does one obey the historical events of Christ’s death burial and resurrection?
Rom 6:1-7, when one is baptized into the death of Christ the old man of sin DIES, ones is “BURIED” from which one is “raised up from” - RESURRECTED. Therefore when one is water baptized there is a DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION that takes place. At no other time or place does this death burial and resurrection take place.
Water baptism therefore is a FORM, an example, an outline of the gospel of Christ.....
Rom 6:17 “But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that FORM of doctrine which was delivered you.”
That “form” of doctrine those Romans had obeyed was water baptism, a death, burial and resurrection. Therefore the gospel and water baptism are interlinked together, inseparable. If one could be saved without the death burial and resurrection of water baptism then he could be saved without the death burial and resurrection of the gospel of Christ.
There is no death, burial and resurrection that takes place with faith only or in a “spiritual baptism” or by saying a sinner’s prayer but only in water baptism is the gospel of Christ obeyed as it must be to not be in flaming fire per 2 Thess 1:8.
Spiritual baptism . . . “into” not “in the name of” . . .
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