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To: imardmd1
Persistent and unrepentant sexual immorality that damages the plaintiff and/or the rest of the family may well justify separation, perhaps permanent, but divorce? No! That option for God's favor is not open to the offended Christian marriage partner. Jesus' doctrine did not allow for the offended person to divorce the offender, let alone get remarried and taint others.

That stance is not very popular in the Christian community, to say the least, but it is correct, and should be fully endorsed by a person claiming spiritual maturity. I know the cost of proper behavior personally, because I have experienced it for 46 years now, and I am very glad I have taken the path that is just in God's eyes.

Remarriage adultery is a deep sin, as is the acceptance, permission, and promotion of it by Christian leaders or counselors.

From my study of scripture, I disagree with you...Perhaps you can shed some light on where I maybe be wrong...

While it's good to know what Jesus taught to those who were under the law those teachings have nothing to do with the church...While people use those scriptures to condemn those who have remarried may forget that just lusting after another woman/man is equally as sinful as doing the act itself...Thank God, we as Christians are not under the law, but Grace...

Rom 4:8  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

One might wonder why people should bother with those scriptures about marriage that have been referenced in Matt., Mark and Luke then...

Unknown to Catholics and many others, after the church is gone, Jesus will be living over there in Jerusalem reigning over the Earth for a thousand years...There will be millions of people thruout the world that those marriage rules will apply to...Much in the Old Testament was written about that future period of time...

The guidelines for marriage in the church were given to Paul (who informed Peter and the other apostles)... This is how I read what Paul says:

1Co 7:6  But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 

So Paul says he got permission to say this but at the same time this is not a commandment...

1Co 7:7  For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 
1Co 7:8  I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 
1Co 7:9  But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. 

If we're going to lust after women, we need to find someone to marry...

1Co 7:10  And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 
1Co 7:11  But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 

Clear instructions for the Christian couple...If you have a spat with the spouse, don't get divorced over it...If you're lousy at handling money, don't get divorced over it...

1Co 7:12  But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
  1Co 7:13  And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

If you spouse is a non believer and you can still function well as husband and wife, continue on continuing on...

  1Co 7:14  For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
  1Co 7:15  But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 

1Co 7:25  Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
  1Co 7:26  I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. 

Paul again gave his opinion and he continues:

1Co 7:27  Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

  Paul says if we are married, don't seek a divorce...However, if your Christian husband beats you and your kids on a daily basis before you have reached the age of 21, let's say, are you to stay with him regardless, or leave him but never get divorced...And never have a relationship for the rest of your life...Are you condemned to raise your children on your own and live a life of poverty from a failed marriage that 'God put together, let nothing divide it asunder??? Not according to Paul...This is a continuation of the last verse:

1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

This is 'if thou marry, a second time'...Paul is already speaking to a married couple...AND, if a virgin marries one who has previously been married, he/she has not sinned either...

What say you to that???

137 posted on 01/21/2019 6:59:39 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Unless you convert to Catholicism.. then you are going to hell because ..like, God hates divorce and you are an adulterer if you remarry.

once again I bring up the point, counsel those about to be married about the seriousness of marriage .

138 posted on 01/21/2019 7:16:22 AM PST by Ikeon
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To: Iscool

Iscool,

I appreciate your good post.

What came before the church can benefit the church, but it isn’t about the church, unless a specific prophecy.

“Art thou loosed from a wife?”

If divorce didn’t end a marriage, you would not be “loosed.”

Nor would the Apostle say you could be remarried.


139 posted on 01/21/2019 8:42:37 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Iscool; daniel1212
What say you to that???

I say that your approach is immediately a departure from sound interpretation: While it's good to know what Jesus taught to those who were under the law those teachings have nothing to do with the church . . . Thank God, we as Christians are not under the law, but Grace

This is essentially antinomian in flavor, not understanding how grace works. Countering your approach:

Matthew 5:19,20 (KJV):
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

1 Peter 1:13-16 (KJV):
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
I say that proper exegesis will back up everything that I've posted on this matter. To accomplish this, one must first start where Jesus did, before the Law was instituted, before Moses, before The Fall:
Genesis 2:24 (KJV):
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:4-6 (KJV):
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
4 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
How much clearer can that be? I believe your use of Scripture in Post #137 is leading you to some wrong conclusions.

And right now, I have no disposable time or energy to quibble further on it. Read the link to the paper at the Happy Heralds site, and agree or disagree. I will not have to answer to God for your conclusions, neither will you for mine.

Be filled with the Holy Ghost, consider Christ and His Church, and sin not. As a part of it, we are still members in the unconsummated espousal stage of it, as was Mary before He was born, before Joseph had congress with her.

There were many holy men before the institution of the law, and were in obedience to it and monogamous before it was inscripturated: Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Joseph. Should we not also, who are after the Law's power to condemn the spiritual man's soul to hell, but not away from The Father's chastisement?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Remarriage adultery is in the same class as these other forms of idolatry and immorality. For John 1:9 to come into play abandonment of it and eschewing it is a necessary condition for one to be cleansed of sin and restored by the blood of Jesus. The couple cannot merely acknowledge and confess their error, and then just keep on repeating it without consequences.
149 posted on 01/22/2019 12:50:16 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Iscool
This is 'if thou marry, a second time'...Paul is already speaking to a married couple...AND, if a virgin marries one who has previously been married, he/she has not sinned either...

This is not exegesis. In this context and in that of the whole Bible that is irresponsible eisegesis. The verse to which you refer assures no such thing.

And "thou" does not refer to a couple. It is singular, and to say otherwise is twisting what the Spirit says here. Can you prove that 7:28 refers to anyone else than a widower, or to someone who has been unchaste but not married, then saved and from then on faithfully and obediently continent?

151 posted on 01/22/2019 1:19:33 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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