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To: DungeonMaster; metmom
I've heard people preach that if you don't go out and save people they will go to hell and their blood is on your hands. That is not scriptural.

That's where I think the "I don't believe in election" people lose any leg to stand on.

Although I try to keep from making the things of God too simple—we are the simple ones; He is infinitely complex—this much seems rather simple to me.

Election means God does the saving. If you don't believe in election, you believe everyone makes their own decision.

And if you believe everyone makes their own decision, then you must believe some souls are in hell simply because they weren't evangelized enough to come to the right decision. Then, you must wonder how many of those souls could have been saved if you'd seized your opportunity to witness to them, rather than blowing it off.

I confess that's more than likely oversimplified. But, did I get anything wrong here?

17 posted on 01/04/2019 7:25:57 AM PST by newgeezer ("... it is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson, 5 June 1824)
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To: newgeezer

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19 posted on 01/04/2019 7:42:36 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: newgeezer

God foreknew who would be saved, who would respond to His offer of forgiveness so He chose to save those folks instead of letting them go to hell.

But Paul makes it clear in Romans that no one s without excuse.

How God deals with those who desire Him who were never presented the gospel is not revealed to us, but He is just and we have to trust that He will do righteously.

However, the problem I see with the election folks, is a lack of evangelism or apparent concern for the lost. I have worked for and with Calvinists and as a whole, they are the most aloof, unapproachable people as people as you have ever met. They didn’t share Christ with others, and had a rather callous disregard for their fate.

I know there are some exceptions, but in my experience, they are very few and far between.


20 posted on 01/04/2019 8:31:13 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: newgeezer
Election means God does the saving. If you don't believe in election, you believe everyone makes their own decision.

And if you believe everyone makes their own decision, then you must believe some souls are in hell simply because they weren't evangelized enough to come to the right decision. Then, you must wonder how many of those souls could have been saved if you'd seized your opportunity to witness to them, rather than blowing it off.

Then you have to wonder why everyone you share the gospel with isn't saved. It must be that you are not sharing the right way or you haven't studied enough or you aren't dressed right. By the way you would be rather confused about the idea that some people are "swine" and not worth any effort because they will only trample your pearls and turn and rend you.

38 posted on 01/07/2019 12:18:38 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Vote your bible.)
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