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Rome's Revision of the Lord's Prayer and the Coming Hour of Testing
Unsealed ^ | 12-17-2-18 | Jeff

Posted on 12/18/2018 6:55:36 AM PST by amessenger4god



If you regularly check the headlines, then you may have read about the Vatican's efforts to revise a particular verse in what is commonly called "The Lord's Prayer." Led by Pope Francis, Rome wants to change the wording of a long-standing translation that has brought a mixture of comfort and confusion to many.

The verse in question can be found in Matthew 6:13 and Luke 11:4, and in the eyes of the Pope and the leaders of the Roman Catholic institution, they believe that "lead us not into temptation" should be reworded to something like "abandon us not when in temptation." While the Vatican has taken significant time to study ancient versions and do the proper leg work, the faithful student of God's word should wisely question the purpose and validity of this enterprise.

And for those of us who have studied history, how could we forget the unjust power plays from the Popes of Christmas past? When the majority of Christendom doesn't know their right from their left when it comes to the Bible, should we just leave this one up to the self-appointed experts of Rome to solve this translational and interpretative puzzle?

By no means should we follow Rome's lead, or even shrug our shoulders like the rest of the undiscerning world. Instead, let's apply our minds (the mind of Christ; cf. 1 Cor. 2:14-15) and use the tools available to the true body of Christ in order to separate the wheat from the chaff in this translation controversy.

For starters: What does the text actually say in the earliest surviving Greek manuscripts? Next thought: We should understand that even a literal, word-for-word translation requires some interpretation on the part of the translator. There is a wide semantic range for many words and phrases written in the ancient biblical languages and the variety of English versions attests to this fact. Consequently, the answer is not as simple as what does the Greek say. We must also consider the context of the chapter and book in order to gain a biblically-informed understanding of the inspired author's intent.

My aim, however, is not to get into the theory of translation or interpretation right now, so I strongly invite you to read this well-written and thorough blog post authored by Dr. Daniel Wallace, a senior Greek professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, entitled "Pope Francis, The Lord's Prayer, and Bible Translation." He addressed this controversy a year ago when the Vatican first announced their plans to alter the Lord's Prayer.

In this post I want to challenge a particular conclusion reached in one of many news outlets reporting on this issue. Michael Dorstewitz, writing for Newsmax, provides an objective piece for the most part, offering several quotes from both Catholic and Protestant leaders. However, the objectivity abruptly ends with this crude summarization:

...in the meantime, the message for all the detractors should be: No, Pope Francis is not rewriting the word of God" (see, "Pope Francis Calls for Change to 'Lord's Prayer' and Critics Go Mad").

Mr. Dorstewitz's reply is a great example of an all-too-common attitude in our time: What's the big deal, so what? Let the Pope change a word or two in order to smooth out a difficult translation and bring unity among Christians. What's all the fuss about, and why is this news anyway? Nothing to see here, move along.

Well, I beg to differ, because this isn't the first controversial thing the current Pope has said or done—the leader of the Roman Catholic Church has been rocking the boat and helping to pave the way for a one-world religion ever since he was appointed back in 2013 (for specifics, see Gary's post, "The Wolf").

So, on the contrary, Mr. Dorstewitz, Pope Francis is trying to rewrite (re-word, re-interpret) the word of God. Though well-intentioned or not, the Roman Catholic Church is not only twisting the Scripture but also fulfilling end-times prophecy. And there is a tragic irony in the specific verse the Vatican is seeking to emend that relates to Catholics and the coming Tribulation.

...if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit" (Matthew 15:14, ESV).


What Say You, Matthew?

Matthew and Luke are the only biblical authors to record the content of Jesus' model prayer to the disciples known throughout the world as "The Lord's Prayer." Luke appears to have a more condensed version, and so, for the sake of clarity and convenience, we will stick with Matthew's gospel for our purposes here.

When you survey the English versions for Matthew 6:13, you will discover that virtually everyone follows the lead of the KJV and translates the Greek word peraismos as "temptation." However, when you look up the word in most Bible lexicons or dictionaries, you'll find that there is a broad range of meaning available.

For example, I have found three primary definitions in the semantic range for peraismos, Strong's 3986:

(1) Trial
(2) Testing
(3) Temptation

As you can see, these words in isolation evoke different imagery even though they are synonymous. Context, as always, is important in order to narrow down which definition in the semantic range is appropriate for any given verse. Therefore, it is possible that some of the confusion surrounding Matthew 6:13 could be resolved if more Christians understood that the ideas of "testing" and "trial" are legitimate English translations for peraismos.

Nevertheless, some will still confuse this verse in the Lord's Prayer with James 1:13. On this alleged contradiction please refer to Dr. Wallace's article linked above. When peraismos is used with God or Satan as the subject, Dr. Wallace makes an important theological point of distinction, "God tests; Satan tempts."

But the Pope along with many others will object, "God would never lead or bring anyone into temptation, that's the Devil's job." Oh, really? So God would never lead, bring, or send someone to be peraismoed [tested, tried, tempted, etc.]? Well, as it turns out, we don't have to go very far to answer that rebuttal. Just turn back a couple of pages to chapter 4:

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted [Grk. peraismos] by the Devil..." (Matthew 4:1, HCSB). 

And, there you have it: Led up by the Spirit...of God. It was God who led Jesus into the desert to be tempted. Now, if you can accept that God led Jesus into temptation, or to be tempted, then how does this affect our interpretation of the controversial verse in the Lord's Prayer?

To further clarify this crucial literary connection within Matthew's gospel, here is Dr. Wallace's brief comment on Matthew 6:13 found in one of his Greek textbooks:

Although the KJV renders [Matt. 6:13] 'deliver us from evil,' the presence of the article indicates not evil in general, but the evil one himself. In the context of Matthew's Gospel, such deliverance from the devil seems to be linked to Jesus' temptation in 4:1-10: Because the Spirit led him into temptation by the evil one, believers now participate in his victory" (in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, pg. 233).

And it's little wonder why many Christians, or so-called Christians, misunderstand this verse in the Lord's Prayer. The reason is they are confused about the very gospel itself. To conclude, here are some of Dr. Wallace's most powerful statements in his response to the Pope Francis debacle:

...the temptation that the Lord faced was the ultimate temptation—the offer of the entire world on a platter. Jesus can ask the disciples to pray that the Father would not lead them into temptation and that God would deliver them from the evil one precisely because Jesus himself faced the ultimate temptation by the evil one...[i]t is precisely because of Jesus' substitutionary death and life that this prayer can be recited today by Christians with the full assurance that God will answer us. Pope Francis's translation, however, subverts all this...[t]he original text speaks clearly of God leading, not permitting. To tamper with the wording misses the connection with the Lord's temptation."

Now then. I've shown you how Pope Francis and his cohorts at the Vatican are twisting the Scripture and thereby polluting the waters of the true gospel once again. They are the blind leading the blind. But how is the pontiff also fulfilling end-times prophecy by this latest move?



The Final Exam

The terrible irony in all of this mistranslation mess is the fact that the leader of the largest group of Christians worldwide has no clue that the LORD will not only lead him and the rest of the non-born-again Catholics into temptation, Jesus says most explicitly that He will throw them into the ultimate time of testing—the Tribulation:

Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death..." (Revelation 2:22-23, NKJV).

Do you see the irony in all of this?!

The Pope wants to alter Matthew 6:13 and Luke 11:4 and absolve God from leading anyone into testing or temptation. However, truth be told, the Lord Jesus doesn't simply lead the Roman church into the Tribulation like a shepherd gently guiding his sheep to green pasture, He throws them into the Trib like a diseased sack of potatoes going into a burning trash heap.

Yikes.

But please note: For all who are willing to examine the Scriptures for themselves and follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, even if you identify as a former or current Roman Catholic, there is still hope for exemption from the Final Exam. There is still time...but it is quickly running out.

Look, the first and last uses of the Greek noun peraismos in the New Testament are book-ended by Matthew 6:13 and a shockingly relevant verse in the book of Revelation:

Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing [Grk. peraismos], that hour which is about to come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 3:10, NASB).

Therefore, you must hear what the Spirit is saying (Rev. 2:29; 3:13) and believe the one and only true gospel of salvation. It's under heavy attack right now and has been for many centuries. But now that we are nearing the day of the Final Exam, you must examine your beliefs and find out whether or not you are trusting in Christ alone and His finished work alone (Heb. 10:10-13; Rev. 2:26, emphasis "My works").

If you are trusting in the once-and-for-all atoning sacrifice of Jesus, then you are exempt from the Final Exam according to the correct translation and interpretation of Matthew 6:13 and Revelation 3:10. Rest assured, the LORD will not lead the true body of Christ into the testing period of the Tribulation. We will all be led in another direction—up, up, and away!

After this I looked, and there in heaven was an open door. The first voice [Jesus] that I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, 'Come up here..." (Revelation 4:1, HCSB).



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; life; prophecy; temptation
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To: ealgeone

Haha! OK will do. Let me collect my thoughts and I’ll reply tomorrow.


81 posted on 12/19/2018 4:46:38 PM PST by edwinland
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To: metmom
How does He do that?

It's a question that has been asked before. Here's the way the Church describes it: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c3a8.htm (see 688 and 737 to 747) One way to think about it is that it's the same presence of the same Holy Spirit among the apostles after Pentacost, continued until this day.

82 posted on 12/19/2018 5:03:36 PM PST by edwinland
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To: edwinland
One way to think about it is that it's the same presence of the same Holy Spirit among the apostles after Pentacost, continued until this day.

Considering that little event concerning Ananias and Sapphira, who simply LIED, in light of the goings on in Roman Catholicism over the centuries, I would doubt that.

83 posted on 12/19/2018 5:19:08 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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This is the link for that comment:

https://www.gotquestions.org/lead-us-not-into-temptation.html

84 posted on 12/19/2018 6:55:34 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: boatbums

I never pictured myself having to ask God to please do not take me down the aisle where the candy is. That sounds like a prayer I would ask to the devil or the devil inside me.

I get what you’re trying to say and I appreciate the time you took to send me this explanation however if you really look at that line it doesn’t sound as clean and neat as it should be. I just don’t think we should be asking God to not lead us into Tim Tatian. Maybe the line is protect us from temptation Or like the pope is implying be there when we are tempted to Sin or stray. The next line deliver us from evil maybe it should be “deliver us from Temptation and evil.”


85 posted on 12/20/2018 4:04:04 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: nikos1121

Here is a link to the Greek.

Read for yourself.

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/6-13.htm


86 posted on 12/20/2018 5:47:47 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: metmom

My brother teaches Classical Greek at Wheaton College where Billy Graham graduated. I’ll ask him.

Your link is interesting. It gives the translation from three bibles.

1. New American Standard Bible
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’

2. King James Bible
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

3. Holman Christian Standard Bible
And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

No 3 is slightly different, and seems closer to how I understand it.

The other link you gave talks about God being like our mother when we’re, at age 5, at the grocery store. She knows NOT to take us down the aisle where the candy is, since we’ll be tempted, and we’ll react.

Sorry, I just don’t think we should pray that God, does NOT take us down the aisle where the candy is.

For me, it’s more like God being there, when we fight temptation and evil to help us thru this.

I think the Lord’s prayer says that, “Lead us not into temptation” ,but for me it would be MORE CLEAR and COMFORTING if it reads “Lead us from temptation”


87 posted on 12/20/2018 6:52:17 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: amessenger4god

I think the passage should read, simply:

“Lead us from temptation.”


88 posted on 12/20/2018 6:53:41 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: metmom

I can’t see the relevance of that story. What should have happened if what the Church teaches about the Holy Spirit is true?


89 posted on 12/20/2018 7:37:32 AM PST by edwinland
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To: nikos1121

Near the top of the page is a tab called *Parallel* and if you click on that, then you get far more than three translations.

This one should take you to the parallels.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/6-13.htm


90 posted on 12/20/2018 8:14:53 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: edwinland

The relevance is that if it’s the same Holy Spirit, then there ought not to be the level of sin running rampant within Catholicism that we see.

Roman Catholicism of today bears little resemblance to the NT church as described in the book of Acts.

For that matter, that’s probably true of most churches these days.


91 posted on 12/20/2018 8:17:13 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: metmom

Thank you.

It looks like only one stands out to being what it truly was intended:

Contemporary English Version

“Keep us from being tempted and protect us from evil. “


92 posted on 12/20/2018 8:17:36 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: metmom

“Lead us not into temptation” is not the right translation. I agree with the Pope, but not sure if he’s making it any better.


93 posted on 12/20/2018 8:18:37 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: nikos1121

It doesn’t seem this pope is making anything better......


94 posted on 12/20/2018 8:19:18 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: metmom

I’m not catholic so wouldn’t know, but for sure he’s coming down on the wrong side on issues, and he’s no leader ie like Pope John Paul was, ie the Polish Pope.


95 posted on 12/20/2018 8:23:05 AM PST by nikos1121 (The Patriot is a scarce man. The timid join him only when his cause succeeds, Mark Twain)
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To: metmom

Got it now. I guess applying the analogy there should be much less sin or a lot more bodies.


96 posted on 12/20/2018 3:39:11 PM PST by edwinland
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To: edwinland

Exactly.......


97 posted on 12/20/2018 4:14:50 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: metmom
My brother who teaches Classical Greek sent me this: The verb in the Lord's Prayer: "Lead us not into temptation" is εἰσφέρω, which is made up of the prefix εἰς ("into") and φέρω ("lead"). It literally means "to lead or bring someone or something into a place or condition." The verb occurs in the following verses: And behold, some men were bringing on a bed a man who was paralyzed, and they were seeking to bring him in and lay him before Jesus. ( Luke 5:18) For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. (1 Tim. 6:7) So, a literal translation of the Greek in the Lord's Prayer in light of the word's use elsewhere would be "Bring us not into temptation." What is interesting about this is Jesus does not tell his disciples to pray that they "might not sin" but that they wouldn't even be "tempted." In other words, he wants his disciples to not even want to be tempted!!! This brings them a step further away from the sin. Will be interesting to see how the Greek speaking church responds to Rome. SO, ACCORDING TO THE GREEK TRANSLATION, THE LORD'S PRAYER AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS THE LITERAL TRANSLATION.
98 posted on 12/21/2018 5:32:34 AM PST by nikos1121 (The Patriot is a scarce man. The timid join him only when his cause succeeds, Mark Twain)
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To: boatbums

Mt brother who teaches classical Greek responded to me. See post #98. Interesting. He says the Lord’s Prayer as written is the correct translation.


99 posted on 12/21/2018 5:33:59 AM PST by nikos1121 (The Patriot is a scarce man. The timid join him only when his cause succeeds, Mark Twain)
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