Rome's Revision of the Lord's Prayer and the Coming Hour of Testing

Unsealed ^ | 12-17-2-18 | Jeff

[nikos1121]

I think I agree with him. I don’t like the verse in question either.

[Red Badger]

How about:

Protect us from temptation...................?......

[rjsimmon]

The Greek (καί (kai) μή (mē) εἰσφέρω (eispherō) ἐγώ (egō) εἰς (eis) πειρασμός (peirasmos).) from my understanding, is better said to be: "And God forbid that we be lead into temptation." The key is "μή mḗ" which is a qualified negation.

[broken_arrow1]

After saying it the same way for 60+ years, I think I know the meaning.

[onedoug]

Isaiah 45:7

[elbook]

Lead us NOT INTO TEMPTATION of believing WE are the makers/understanders of all things, and that God doesn’t exist, or that we could create an infinitesimal bit of what God created.

God does NOT abandon ....

[jjotto]

Isaiah 45:7

[the_daug]

“self-appointed experts of Rome” What are you correcting again?

[ealgeone]

Blowhard.

One small correction: the Pope is not “self appointed” but the author of this piece is.

Did you read the article?

No where does the article say the pope is self appointed.

Perhaps you should take off your Roman Catholic colored glasses and read.

When the majority of Christendom doesn't know their right from their left when it comes to the Bible, should we just leave this one up to the self-appointed experts of Rome to solve this translational and interpretative puzzle?

[Chainmail]

You should remove your anti Catholic and prejudiced glasses and re-read that sentence all over again. Nobody in the Church is "self-appointed".

The author of this article was self-appointed - and apparently, so are you.

[ealgeone]

Hey, you were the one who called out the author for saying something he didn't say.

Deal with it.

[edwinland]

Actually, the author did say it:

"And for those of us who have studied history, how could we forget the unjust power plays from the Popes of Christmas past? When the majority of Christendom doesn't know their right from their left when it comes to the Bible, should we just leave this one up to the self-appointed experts of Rome to solve this translational and interpretative puzzle?"

Now I also don't believe the pope is self appointed. I believe he was appointed by the bishops who were appointed by the bishops ... who were appointed by Jesus himself. So I think the author is wrong on that part. But on the other hand being legitimately appointed for a task doesn't necessarily make you any good at it, and the author makes a pretty good argument on this point, in my opinion.

[ealgeone]

I think he may be conflating how the pope is chosen and someone saying they’re an expert on such and such a topic.

[sauropod]

bkmk for later study

[the_daug]

The pontiff observed that the phrase, “lead us not into temptation,” is problematic, and is calling to replace those words with “abandon us not when in temptation.”
Are there many variants of this in the Greek Manuscripts?
I guess Mathew a tax collector for the Roman’s didn’t know Greek.

[Tex2Fla]

I don’t think we get to pick and choose the verses we like and don’t like. Most of us have a lot of verses we don’t particularly like. (Steps on on toes)

[Campion]

We will all be led in another direction—up, up, and away!

SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, nobody prior to the 19th Century believed in the "secret rapture," so clearly evangelical Protestantism does, and will, change.

[ealgeone]

SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, nobody prior to the 19th Century believed in the "secret rapture," so clearly evangelical Protestantism does, and will, change.

Save for Paul.