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To: ebb tide
Things will never be all sweetness and light until the Consecration of Russia. Jesus comes back at the end of the age. There's a reason we refer to this life as "weeping and mourning in this vale of tears". I'm quite confident that you've heard (even said) that phrase before.

I'll point out that at NO time in this conversation have I ever said or implied that this present (post V-2) darkness is anything other than darkness. I am highlighting the fact that this darkness grew, gathered strength, festered and suppurated, in the Church before V-2. I am highlighting the fact that the men who devised and promoted this darkness were educated, formed, ordained, and consecrated by the Church before V-2. Insofar as "Traditional Catholicism" and "the Church before V-2" are synonymous, "Traditional Catholicism" must bear some significant blame for allowing this present darkness to happen. Vatican II did not occur in a vacuum.

Finally, I am calling folks to recognize that if we are to dispel this present darkness, we must do more than just return to "Traditional Catholicism". We must also do what "Traditional Catholicism" failed to do in the XIX and XX Centuries. We must take effective steps to identify and expel the sodomites, heretics, and infidels who endeavor to turn Jesus Christ's Church (and ours, for per St. Paul we are the "Body of Christ") into a hellhole.

44 posted on 10/11/2018 9:15:48 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
There's a reason we refer to this life as "weeping and mourning in this vale of tears". I'm quite confident that you've heard (even said) that phrase before.

I'm quite familar with the prayer, thank-you. I recite it after every rosary I pray and after every Low Mass I attend.

But it appears you are not familiar with the promises of Our Lady of Fatima:

If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

FYI, Russia introduced legalized abortion and since then it has spread worldwide and continues this very day. Over a billion human babies have been murdered in what is supposed to be the safety of their mothers' wombs. You may think that the Consecraton has occurred when JP II consecrated the world, not Russia; but I don't think the Blessed Mother would call a period where over a billion babies have been murdered a "period of peace".

45 posted on 10/11/2018 10:24:58 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain
I'll point out that at NO time in this conversation have I ever said or implied that this present (post V-2) darkness is anything other than darkness. I am highlighting the fact that this darkness grew, gathered strength, festered and suppurated, in the Church before V-2. I am highlighting the fact that the men who devised and promoted this darkness were educated, formed, ordained, and consecrated by the Church before V-2.

You seem to be deliberately avoiding the elephant in the room, Modernism. Will you not admit that modernists hijacked the Council, and now the Church?

46 posted on 10/11/2018 10:32:32 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain
Finally, I am calling folks to recognize that if we are to dispel this present darkness, we must do more than just return to "Traditional Catholicism".

Well, I wish you luck in dispelling homosexuality which has continued since Sodom and Gomorrah to the present day.

I think you'll have a much luck as Francis in dispelling poverty, even though Jesus Christ said the poor will always be with us.

The pre-concilar Church prominently condemned homosexual activity; Francischurch is not!

47 posted on 10/11/2018 11:02:55 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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