[ebb tide]

Bugnini was raised, educated, ordained, further educated, and consecrated a bishop in "Traditional Catholicism".

So was the Catholic Augustinian, Fr. Martin Luther.

[NorthMountain]

Brother Martin didn't attend Vatican II.

We're talking about Vatican II.

Try staying on topic.

[NorthMountain]

In case you missed the point:

You're complaining about Paul VI, and Abp. Bugnini, and the "New Mass".

I reminded you of where Montini and Bugnini came from.

VATICAN II DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM.

The rot which exploded in Vatican II festered and suppurated in the "Traditional Catholicism" of the XIX and early-mid XX Centuries.

The "Traditional Catholicism" of the future, if it is to be any better than the "Traditional Catholicism" of the past that produced Vatican II, must learn from history. The first step is admitting that the history exists. I urge you to take that first step.