Posted on 09/24/2018 6:47:56 PM PDT by marshmallow
Critics of the long-waited agreement between China and the Vatican on the appointment of bishop are merely a “loud minority,” a Vatican bishop said Friday.
“They are very strong in their position. They are loud, but there are not very many of them. They are a loud minority,” said Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, also chancellor of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences.
He made the remarks when asked to comment on a reported deal between China and the Vatican on the appointment of bishops, which critics say is a deal that “sells out” the Holy See.
“In our interpretation, the critics are a little minority group of people, people who wanted to create trouble,” the bishop told the Global Times in an exclusive interview on Friday.
Sorondo explained the importance of having this deal, or having China better involved in the Catholic world, is that “the country has a large population with good quality people, it observes the common good and it has proved its ability to great missions like fighting against poverty and pollution."
Sorondo said that he agrees that the deal is the first step to get China and the Vatican into a formal and regular pattern of communication, which is praiseworthy.
Sources with insider information on the agreement previously told the Global Times that the Vatican may send a delegation to China at the end of September, and if the talks go well, the agreement could be signed within this month.
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“In our interpretation, the critics are a little minority group of people, people who wanted to create trouble,”
IIRC there were quite a few Christians from 33 A.D. through about 400 A.D., that would strongly disagree with any Christian, Pope or lesser, that would work with a Caesar and not protect the flock.
We’ve been in schism for some time. We’ve just not sent out the formal announcement.
Not sure just whom you are referring to. Could you identify for me these Christians (by name, any: individual or group) from 33 AD to 400 AD, who would work with Caesar and not protect the flock?
Are you possibly speaking of the Arians?
I was referring to Christian martyrs that would rather face death than to submit to Roman authority and sacrifice to their Roman gods.
Just like the modern Vatican has chosen death rather than offend their Chinese overlords ...
Chinese Christians face a new wave of persecutions under Xi, and it does not look to abate anytime soon.
I really think what "Vatican diplomacy" has imposed on the Church in China is a historically unprecedented evil: actually forcing people into a Communist organization as a condition of being Catholic.
Like many Catholics, I have not been much interested in End Times thinking --- until quite recently.
In certain periods, the Church struggled against the various national laws and customs which involved secular princes in the internal life of the Church (e.g. the centuries-long Investiture Controversy.) Resisting an actual government take-over, a monarch's rule over the Church (like Henry XII and Elizabeth I in England) led to open resistance and the imprisonment of whole parishes, warfare in Norfolk and the martyrdom of Ss. Thomas More and Bp. John Fisher and the 40 English Martyrs.
This treacherous, cruel Bergoglio-Parolin policy is not just letting wolves into the sheepfold: it's feeding the lambs to the wolves. I don't think that's ever happened in the history of the Church.
It does make me wonder if we're nearing The End.
Now is not the time to leave the Church. Now is the time to defend the Bride and resist unto death.
From 2014. Resistance is futile while the Vatican has control of these kind of assests. It's not a church anymore. It's a mob family.
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He almost always telegraphs his intentions by stating the exact opposite.
My stomach dropped when he announced his intention to canonize Paul VI. It means Humanae Vitae is the next thing on the chopping block.
What kind of "faithful believers" choose to cut and run when things feel distinctly dangerous? What kind of sons and daughters of Holy Mother the Church desert Her when the Enemy dares to attempt to rape Her? Do not leave the Church. This does not show fidelity, and I daresay it amounts to chickening out because things have turned deadly serious.
Re-dedicate yourself to your Baptismal promises ("Do yoou reject Satan?") Reclaim the power to fight back, the power to resist to the end, the graces of your Cionfirmationb.
Cut yourself off from the Church? Don't do it. The severed Hand cannot heal the Body.
My ancestors were Non-Conformists/Dissenters. I take after them. So I’m not a good person to answer that question, Mrs. D.
Or is it more like a vendor serving a religious consumer class, such that if it starts to look like a struggle requiring faithful sacrifice and perseverance, you can just say "Heck with that" and shop around to find a different vendor?
Your thoughts?
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