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To: amessenger4god
Scripture tells us we are NOT the children of Wrath. So when does the wrath start? Rev 6:1 states Jesus cuts the first seal and the Antichrist starts conquering. Tribulation starts with the cutting of the first seal. There will be 7 years of Tribulation, not 3/12. The first 3 1/2 years, the wrath could be looked at as "acts of God", like earthquakes, famines, asteroid strikes, ect. We will be gone before the Antichrist starts his conquests. As the earthquakes, famines, and plagues spread, we may not even know who the antichrist is. The chaos will need a strong hand and he will step up to control the rabble with force. Most will cheer him on. Rev 4:1 says John heard a voice like a Trumpet saying "Come up here". That's the Rapture before the first seal is broken.

What many don't seem to get is man's wrath can get pretty bad, but it's NOT God's wrath. If you were betrothed to a bride, would you allow her to be beaten and killed before the wedding? Would you allow your children to be tortured before you rescued them? Why wait even a moment watching your loved ones suffer? The Tribulation is for disobedient children, not your loved ones.

Next is Lev 23 Feast Days. If God fulfilled Passover on Passover, Unleavened Bread on Unleavened Bread, First Fruits on First Fruits, and Pentecost exactly on Pentecost, why would He randomly fulfill the Fall Feasts when we weren't expecting Him? If you proposed Marriage to a Bride, wouldn't you want her to know when to be ready for pickup? If we know Pentecost has already happened, why would the next Feast Day be Yom Kippur? Judgement day before the Feast of Trumpets? God doesn't work that way. The Rapture will be the next event in Gods calendar. Trumpets is when the crowning of the King will happen. The Marriage Feast of the Lamb will happen. There are many things that will happen on or near Trumpets. Why would we miss that? If you miss the Marriage of the Lamb, you ain't going.

I skimmed the article quickly, but it seemed well thought out and I have nothing else to add. I believe you could study it and be pretty much on track with sound reasoning.

Having said that, I have something else to add that many people don't speak of. In Mat 25, we read of wise and foolish virgins. Many seem to think the foolish virgins are "lost people". That's not want it says. It says they were "virgins" That means church members. Only virgins can marry the High Priest and they must be from Israel. That's why we must be adopted into God's Family to be eligible. They were obviously left behind because they weren't ready to go. The wise virgins had extra oil in extra vessels they carried with them. The foolish ones only had the oil in their lamps. Oil is the Holy Spirit. The foolish ones were left because they were NOT baptized in the Holy Spirit and were just Baptized in water. If you are Baptized in the Holy Spirit, you will see a definite difference in these people. They are NOT wishy washy, luke warm, pew sitters, and will hear from Jesus,"I never knew you". Going to church and paying your tithe doesn't get you a personal relationship with Jesus. Jesus is coming for a Bride, not an acquaintance that is not looking forward to His coming. I visualize a woman peeking out her window all dressed up and ready for her wedding night with her heart aflutter in anticipation of her lover coming to pick her up.

I've actually had conversations with people that said I hope Jesus doesn't come this summer cause I just put a pool in, or my cruise is in a week, or I want to watch my grand kids grow up.

They obviously don't have the right priorities. These are the people that we read about that are beheaded under the altar in Rev 6:9-11. These people were left behind and were forced to choose Jesus and a beheading or take the mark. God has made it plain all through Scripture we must die in the flesh to be His. You can kill your flesh in the Baptismal, or you can physically die by the executioners sword. Either way, in order to be the Bride of Christ we must give our lives to Him. If you drag the dead body out of the Baptism and carry him around with you, you are still trying to resuscitate the old man and are double minded.

Joh 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.

We know Jesus is our friend, but are we a friend to Jesus? If you won't follow His commands, you aren't His friend. If you are a friend of Jesus, you will die to your flesh as he did for you. If that seems too much to ask, you don't understand what He did for you. All of the Apostles, save John, went to a violent death to serve Christ. If you won't follow His commands, you certainly won't get beheaded for Him. Many have told me Jesus doesn't speak to them. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice. That should be a wake up call to someone who says they never hear from God. They don't have that personal relationship we talked about earlier.

The point here is there will be "Christians" that say they're are going in the Rapture and won't make it. They confuse Rapture with Salvation. If you face the Beast and refuse the mark, your salvation is true and you will go to Heaven when you die. If you take the mark, you will buy yourself another year or two, but will die a horrible death and go to hell because whatever you did and said in the church baptismal was a lie and you just got wet. Sin is no longer the measure of your salvation, faith and belief is. If you believe, you will flee sin because the law is in your heart. We still sin, but if we repent, He is quick to forgive. Your sins have been forgiven. God measures your heart. Many have trouble comprehending they can be saved ultimately, but be left behind to face the Beast.

After the Mat 25 virgin parable, there are others about "servants". There is a difference between virgin brides and servants. The servants were given His money and one made 5 talents and another 2 and another buried his 1. The ones that made a return on His investment were told good job. The last that buried His Master's money was thrown where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. God has invested His Son's blood in you. Do you have any gain to show Him when you meet Him? I had a vision once of Isaiah 6:1 and I was before the King and people had been trowing their treasure at the feet Of Jesus and there was pile of gold and silver on the floor. It was my turn and I reached in my change pocket and threw a few pennies dimes and quarters down on the floor with Him and the angels looking on. I thought I would never stop weeping. The shame was overpowering. If you think you do enough for God, you aren't where I am now.

Many today won't even witness to their own family so as not to start an argument. If you are ashamed of Him, he will be ashamed of you before the Father. This is not a game. It's not an activity. It's a relationship. If you put the Kingdom above all, then you are probably in the right place for Him to take you to the wedding and not be left to face the Beast.

42 posted on 09/10/2018 11:49:41 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

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>> “Scripture tells us we are NOT the children of Wrath. So when does the wrath start?” <<

The 10 days of the bowls of wrath immediately follow the Day of Trumpets (the gathering of the Bride) which immediately follows the 42 months of Satan’s Tribulation of the Bride.

That is well spelled out in Revelation , and many other places.

We are presently in the 6th seal period. Satan’s wrath has been pouring out for about a year, but it is not yet “great trribulation.”

Satan’s wrath obviously preceeds Yehova’s wrath.
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44 posted on 09/10/2018 12:05:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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