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To: CraigEsq
Wow - that’s some nice eisegesis. Bathed in regeneration and THEN was baptized. Do you have any support that this modern english usage of the word “bath” (e.g., sunlight) is even valid in ancient greek as you assert?

WoW??? I gave two biblical examples where regeneration comes before water baptism...

the bath itself IS regeneration.

Just as the scripture says, we are bathed (washed) in (of) regeneration, NOT WATER...

Regeneration is a Spiritual rebirth...A Spiritual rebirth doesn't wash anything, except in a metaphorical and spiritual sense...Such as bathed in the sunlight...

289 posted on 08/14/2018 12:31:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

You did give two examples (though Acts 8:37 is presumably not authentically in the Bible). But that’s your problem - you’re taking examples and trying to use them to explain away the teaching ABOUT baptism; rather than taking the teaching about baptism and seeing how the examples demonstrate it.

And in this case, you’re using two examples to say “see, here are times people were regenerated apart from baptism, therefore Baptism can’t regenerate,” and try to explain away the verses that explain what baptism is and does. You cannot develop a complete set of understanding through examples alone unless your examples cover every possible scenario. (”For example is not proof.” - Jewish proverb). Fortunately, we have plenty of Biblical instruction on what Baptism is and does, such as:

Cleanses you from iniquity, gives you a heart of flesh rather that of stone. Ezekiel 36:25-33
Makes you a disciple of Jesus. Matthew 28:19 (with teaching)
Forgives your sins. Acts 2:38 (With repentance)
Gives you the Holy Spirit. John 3:5, Acts 2:38.
Joins you with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Romans 6:2-5, Colossians 2:12.
Washes the Church and makes her holy. Ephesians 5:25-26
Clothes you in Christ. Galatians 3:27.
Regenerates you. Titus 3:5.
Saves you. 1 Peter 3:21

So (even setting aside Titus) unless you believe you can be forgiven, joined to the death and resurrection of Jesus, clothed in Christ, and saved, and NOT have that be regeneration, well then I guess I don’t know what to say.

And of course we fully acknowledge that God can do whatever he wants, and sometimes for His reasons He will depart from the usual order of things. Note that the Apostles were rather shocked at the occurrences of Acts 10. But none of the examples can negate the teaching on what Baptism is and does.


291 posted on 08/14/2018 6:22:45 PM PDT by CraigEsq
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