[Jim Noble]

I was raised in a Dutch Reformed church that joined the UCC. At the time I was in Sunday School, the “mainline” churches all had confessions or creeds that defined them. 50 short years later - all gone. Dust in the wind. Even the Episcopalians, who thought apostolic governance was security - finished.

The collapse of the seeker movement is upon us. Rick Warren and Bill Hybels were not fruitful. Leaders, but not fathers. Mars Hill was a flash in the pan.

You Catholics beware. Your model is the strongest but it will not survive an antipope with Facebook. The old antipopes has short lives and limited reach.

Jesus, as they say, calls us o’er the tumult.

[Biggirl]

To be replaced by what?

[Wallace T.]

We are witnessing the same trend in the evangelical churches that occurred in the mainline churches a century ago. The mainline Protestant denomination were taken over by liberals through a process of infiltration, acceptance, dominance, and expulsion and silencing of remaining orthodox clergy and laity. Those who credit Saul Alinsky for these tactics must recognize that his tactics were anticipated decades earlier in the religious field by men like Walter Rauschenbusch, Reinhold Niebuhr, and Harry Emerson Fosdick. What happened to J. Gresham Machen, the last of the orthodox Old Princeton theologians, in the Northern Presbyterian Church in 1932, becoming a nonperson, is happening even today to the deplatforming and electronic exile of Alex Jones and Infowars in the secular world.

The issues are different to the infiltrators of the 21st Century to those of the prior century, but the ends are the same, to destroy active, witnessing and Biblically based churches from within. The "seeker sensitive" movement, the prosperity gospel, post-modernism, etc., are the wedge issues used by the modern equivalents of Rauschenbusch, Niebuhr, and Fosdick, to infiltrate, neutralize, and destroy evangelical churches.