[righttackle44]

. . . (and I believe he went to Fuller Seminary?) even though he's preached against the Masons (but never takes the time to discuss his family's high ranking Masonic line)... makes for a weird and sad "fruit" out of his church in my opinion.

Had you ever taken the time--and we can see that you haven't--to learn of John MacArthur's educational background, you would have seen that he is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and had attended Bob Jones University, and Azusa Pacific University, the latter two schools having great credence in the fundamentalist and Evangelical communities.

As to not discussing the Freemasonary in his family, I ask, why should he need to? What family skeletons are left buried or not mentioned in the family of Sontagged?

My own great-great-grandfather was the last Sun Dance priest of our tribe. His son, my great-grandfather, was the first ordained Christian minister in our tribe. When my grandfather was dying, he asked his father to become a Christian so that they could be together in Heaven. After his son died, my great-great-grandfather examined his life and his son's life in the light of his own tribal religion. He came to understand that, in his tribal religion, there was no way he would ever see his son again. My great-great-grandfather, despite his leadership and participation in the Sun Dance religion, became a Christian and renounced the tribal religion. Yet, in this day, many traditionalists in our tribe still wish to claim that my great-great-grandfather remained true to his Sun Dance religion. It is the first-hand testimony of our family that my great-great-grandfather is in heaven with his son and our family members who became born-again Christians, some of whom had also been members of the Sun Dance.

The grace of Jesus Christ wipes out all sin--and never imposes the sins of one person upon another. John MacArthur is not responsible for the memberships and associations of his family members, whoever they were and whatever memberships and associations they had or organizations or associations in which they participated. "It is finished" or "paid in full" means exactly that: Mr. MacArthur does not answer for any sins of his family.

And shame on those who insist that he must do so.

[Sontagged]

Umm. if you had ever taken the time to research MacArthur’s Masonic bloodline you would understand he first heard the Word discussed by his grandfather who was a 33 degree Master Mason (I’m typing from memory, don’t quote me) and ALSO a Presbyterian minister.

As I am not a preacher/teacher by vocation, I do not fall under the Lord’s higher standard, as does John MacArthur, so my questions about his teachings have nothing to do with me personally, but rather as a Berean generally.

So please refrain from condemning me for not remembering (or really caring) where MacArthur learned to teach such heresy such as that it is okay for Christians to take the Mark of the Beast.

That is the point of this thread.

But here is a article on MacArthur’s Masonic blood line.

Enjoy:

https://watch.pairsite.com/macarthur-6-freemasonry.html

[Wallace T.]

It is well to remember that John Rice, who was a well known fundamentalist Baptist theologian and preacher in the mid-20th Century, had a father who was a Mason, and admittedly was initiated into the organization. However, he later renounced his membership and wrote a book denouncing the fraternity.