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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>Nothing I've posted is incorrect.<<

I didn't say it was incorrect. I said it was irrelevant.

Why? Because it contradicts your position on this topic?

Thirteenth century embryology is not Catholic doctrine, any more than 1,000 BC cosmological astrophysics is Catholic doctrine.

Even Catholic Canon Law, although related at many points to moral doctrine, is not Catholic moral doctrine.

In the Roman Catholic Church, canon law is the system of laws and legal principles made and enforced by the Church's hierarchical authorities to regulate its external organization and government and to order and direct the activities of Catholics toward the mission of the Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law#Catholic_Church

Is not the Canon Law what ya'll go by? Roman Catholics appeal to it all the time.

The Second Vatican Council had reason to consider abortion spe- cifically in relation to family planning. In its pastoral constitution, Joy and Hope, on the Church in the modem world, the Council had affirmed the duty of responsible procreation, of conscientious decision making by spouses as to how many children they should have. The Council had also affirmed that conjugal love was "perfected" in conjugal intercourse. It then had recognized that there might well be a conflict between the expression of love and responsible parenthood. 152 The Council, carefully refraining from a decision on con- traception, did not attempt to solve the conflict. It did observe, however, "These are those who presume to offer to these problems indecent solutions; indeed they do not shrink from killing." In response to such solutions, the Council declared, "Life from its conception is to be guarded with the greatest care. Abortion and infanticide are horrible crimes.

In this declaration the Council made several doctrinal advances. For the first time contraception was treated differently from abortion. A line was drawn, with contraception on one side, abortion and infanticide on the other. Certain commands on contraception were specified as being for "children of the Church." The teaching on abortion, in contrast, was in a document otherwise addressed to "all men of good will." Abortion was condemned; no final judgment was made on all forms of contraception. Beyond these distinctions, an amendment, specifically made and adopted, added the words "from its conception."' 1 5 4 In-this way the Council sharply marked off the status of the conceptus from the status of spermatozoa and ova. Finally, the declaration was the first statement ever made by a general council of the Church on abortion; its judgment, promulgated by Paul VI on December 5, 1965, represented a commitment by the Catholic bishops of the world to care from conception.

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1125&context=nd_naturallaw_forum

pages 120-121

48 posted on 08/01/2018 4:59:29 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
You are again disputing something I did not say.

I did not say Moral Law and Canon Law are unrelated. I said they are not identical.

For instance: consider ecclesiastical property laws. These are related to and influenced by, but not the same as, secular laws relating to bequest, fiduciary trust, the extent of obligations to the common good which override private ownership, accountability, the suitability of using sacred spaces (e.g. the chancel) for secular purposes (e.g. a concert), etc., etc., and etc.

Much of this is not explicitly spelled out in the Ten Commandments, but is the result of reflection on many different circumstances and contexts.

Some of it can change as circumstances change.

If you're actually interested, you could look at this: Moral Theology and Canon Law.

I must say *I* am not particularly interested. Meh. Most of it has nothing to do with me, personally

Analogy: it's like a Homeowners Association or a POA: if I don't even own property, I have no direct interest in becoming an expert on the CCR's and By-Laws of a residential subdivision.

It doesn't relate to me. It's not my job.

Thanks be to God.

58 posted on 08/01/2018 6:51:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and Judgment are the foundation of His throne.")
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