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To: ravenwolf; daniel1212; metmom

If believers can sin all they want and still be saved what does it matter?

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Will you STOP using that strawman argument please?

It’s not only not at ALL what I believe, but it’s highly insulting.

And says a lot about you when you think that the only reason that anyone would do good works would be because they’d be punished otherwise.

Though if you insist on smearing me with that argument, I have to ask you this in return. If you do good works in order to avoid punishment, are they REALLY good works from the heart?

Personally I would say that a good work from a Protestant who does it out of gratitude for God saving him would count for more than ten good works done by a Catholic who’s only doing them because he doesn’t want to go to Hell.


451 posted on 08/04/2018 2:36:26 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

It also says a lot about a person and what’s in their heart if they think that security in salvation gives someone license to sin.

It’s called *projection* and I’m convinced many think that way because that’s what they’d do if they were in that position.

Those born of the Spirit love God and want to please Him and are grieved when they sin. They are not using God as fire insurance, so they can sin all they want and get away with it.

Nor to they understand what the fruit of the Spirit of self-control is.

We don’t need threats of damnation to keep us in line. We don’t need the outside forces compeling us under duress to behave or else. We have the internal desire to please God and live in a way that pleases Him and brings glory to Him.


452 posted on 08/04/2018 3:02:47 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Luircin
If you do good works in order to avoid punishment, are they REALLY good works from the heart?

No.

It's service based on fear, not love and gratitude.

The new birth is completely lost on them.

453 posted on 08/04/2018 3:03:50 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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