“””Which is largely a strawman as directed to Bible Christians,”””
It may be to you but it is not to me.
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The heck do you mean by that?
Because it really sounds like you’re saying that daniel1212 has told you that no, this is not what he believes, and you’ve just said “I don’t care; I’m going to keep on attacking in this manner anyways.”
That saving faith does not mean Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. has been explained to him at length, but since it means he no longer can use his antinomian charge in order to defend Rome, which teaching salvation by actually becoming good enough to be with God thru Purgatory, then it seems his required recourse is to keep on employing this strawman.
This is why St. Luke and St. James have so much to say about works, so that one says: Yes, I will now believe, and then he goes and fabricates for himself a fictitious delusion, which hovers only on the lips as the foam on the water. No, no; faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit and wholly and completely converts him. It goes to the foundation and there accomplishes a renewal of the entire man; so, if I have previously seen a sinner, I now see in his changed conduct, manner and life, that he believes. So high and great a thing is faith.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341] More .
Rather than the easy believism Catholics (with a church half full of liberal members) associates with sola fide, in Puritan Protestantism there was often a tendency to make the way to the cross too narrow, perhaps in reaction against the Antinomian controversy, as described in an account (http://www.the-highway.com/Early_American_Bauckham.html) of Puritans during the early American period:
“They had, like most preachers of the Gospel, a certain difficulty in determining what we might call the ‘conversion level’, the level of difficulty above which the preacher may be said to be erecting barriers to the Gospel and below which he may be said to be encouraging men to enter too easily into a mere delusion of salvation. Contemporary critics, however, agree that the New England pastors set the level high. Nathaniel Ward, who was step-son to Richard Rogers and a distinguished Puritan preacher himself, is recorded as responding to Thomas Hooker’s sermons on preparation for receiving Christ in conversion with, ‘Mr. Hooker, you make as good Christians before men are in Christ as ever they are after’, and wishing, ‘Would I were but as good a Christian now as you make men while they are preparing for Christ.’”
Because it really sounds like you’re saying that daniel1212 has told you that no, this is not what he believes, and you’ve just said “I don’t care; I’m going to keep on attacking in this manner anyways.”
But you fellows refuse to read where Paul told the Corinthians to get that guy out of the Church that was bedding his step mother.
It just takes one apple to rotten the whole barrel which is
the reason Paul wanted him out of the Church.
We know every one has sinned and come short of the glory of God but Paul did not suggest kicking every one out of the Church so it appears to me that Charles Pope makes a very good point.
But you insist on ignoring the question brought up on the thread and making it look like some one is denying that we are saved by grace.
You need to leave your bias in the outhouse and try to be a little more honest with people who believe the Bible even if they do not quite see it your way
And you need to quit assuming what you think i believe.
“””Which is largely a strawman as directed to Bible Christians,”””
No ,it is not a straw man, it is just what the thread was about it is you that are bringing in the the straw man B.S
If you really believe what you say why do you have to ignore the real question and get off on what every one already knows?
Bye now.