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But if James (who only mentions Christ twice, and never His death and resurrection) was teaching that the merit of works justifies one before God then he is contradicting both Moses and Paul


I do not see James as saying that the merit of works justifies any one before God, he was simply saying that if a person really had faith it would be shown in his works.

Jesus told us what our works should be in the parable of the sheep and goats, and also the good Samaritan, and that is what James said.

Again, Abraham was not counted as righteous because he said he had faith, he was righteous because her was willing to do what God told him to do.

Noah was not saved because he said i believe you Lord, he was saved because he did the works God told him to do, he built the ark.

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Likewise the Lord’s teaching on the sheep and goats does not mean the sheep enter into eternal life because their works actually obtained this, which would be as salvation under the Law,””

Probably true but the point is that the sheep who did the works went to heaven and the goats who did not the works went to hell.

I have to believe believers are saved by grace because if i have to depend on my works i am hell bound.

But it seems today that if a preacher trys to make the young girls understand that they should not take their pants down for any creep that comes along they are accused of preaching salvation by works which in most cases is nothing but a lie.

I learned all about being a tramp long before i ever listened to a preacher, we do not need preachers to tell us it is alright to sin, we can do that on our own.


286 posted on 08/02/2018 10:35:33 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Left lane drivers and tailgaters have the smallest brains in the world.)
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To: ravenwolf; daniel1212
Again, Abraham was not counted as righteous because he said he had faith, he was righteous because her was willing to do what God told him to do.

5And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

6Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

Genesis 15:5-6 NASB

296 posted on 08/02/2018 12:24:11 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ravenwolf; daniel1212

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>> “But if James (who only mentions Christ twice, and never His death and resurrection) was teaching that the merit of works justifies one before God then he is contradicting both Moses and Paul.” <<

Works and obedience are two separate things.

Keeping Torah is not works, it is obedience based in faith.
That is what James and Paul both conveyed. It is also what Yeshua preached.

Works wherever it is mentioned in the NT is the keeping of the Pharisees false laws of Takanot and Ma’assim.

Those laws are the ‘burden that could not be borne” that was taken to the cross by Yeshua. They are most frequently called “the Law of Moses” in the NT.
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308 posted on 08/02/2018 2:38:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ravenwolf
Again, Abraham was not counted as righteous because he said he had faith, he was righteous because her was willing to do what God told him to do.

Actually, God said Abraham was counted as righteous because he had faith, which thus effected obedience. .

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Genesis 15:5-6)

But it seems today that if a preacher trys to make the young girls understand that they should not take their pants down for any creep that comes along they are accused of preaching salvation by works which in most cases is nothing but a lie.

Which is largely a strawman as directed to Bible Christians, while Catholics testify to being more libera l, and the secular school teachers are worst.

319 posted on 08/02/2018 2:58:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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