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To: boatbums; metmom; Luircin; daniel1212
Who Was Martin Luther?

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Henceforth, for Luther, it was a headlong pitch into drunkenness and debauchery. The successive portraits of the heretic testify to the progressive decline. At Wittenberg, the nuns listened to the master, left their convents, preached, and ended in loose living. Luther married one, Catherine Bora, but he had at least one child by another. His sermons describe his own morals: "My God, give us many women and few children ....[H]owever ugly the woman, one who has no water to extinguish the fire uses dung."

One is not surprised, then, that when the prince of Hesse consulted him in order to obtain a justification of his bigamy, the old lecher needed no persuasion to find for him good theological arguments.

His flight, though, did not bring Luther peace. His exaltation sometimes gave way to a terrible lucidity. One evening, Luther being in the garden with Kaliche (Catherine Bora), witnesses recorded their dialogue:

"Look, how beautiful the sky is, how the stars twinkle," murmured Catherine.

"Yes, but they do not shine for us."

"Why not?"

A silence. "We left our convents."

"Then, we must return to our vows?"

"It is too late. The wagon is stuck too deep in the mud.”6

The last five years of Luther's life were sinister. His celebrity, which had exhilarated him, was waning. He well knew that he had been domesticated by the powerful. Catherine Bora became bitter and tyrannical. She had no more illusions about the prophet who had enthralled her. He was bitter. He vituperated, threatened, complained, drank. In his letters from this period, there recurs like a leitmotif, under different forms, the avowal: "I am drunk from morning till night."

283 posted on 07/09/2018 9:05:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Good job: you’ve eagerly embraced Romanist fan-fiction as fact.

You might as well believe that Gillian’s Island is a documentary.

#triggerwarning


284 posted on 07/09/2018 9:08:20 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ebb tide; Luircin

Do you honestly think those things were all true about Martin Luther? It’s hard to believe you actually fall head long into believing some of the most easily disproven lies about him I have ever seen! Yet you refuse to read positive things said about him even by Catholics, labeling them all as “heterodox”.

You basically ignore the debauchery and immorality of the Catholic church clergy - all the way up to the Popes - before and after Luther’s day (admitted BY Catholic apologists and Popes) and instead keep attacking a man that you stated you haven’t read his own writings. To boot, you post negative and condemning threads about your current Pope! The irony to be sure must be lost on you.

Should you ever be of a frame of mind to rationally discuss the actual doctrines of the Reformation, I’d be happy to engage. I will pray for you.


298 posted on 07/09/2018 10:03:35 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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