Posted on 07/08/2018 10:03:40 AM PDT by Luircin
Rich, out of respect for you, I will stop using the term.
This coming from someone who doesn’t even know what Luther’s teachings are, and who refuses to read the Lutheran Confessions...
...why on earth should anyone believe you?
Snip:
Henceforth, for Luther, it was a headlong pitch into drunkenness and debauchery. The successive portraits of the heretic testify to the progressive decline. At Wittenberg, the nuns listened to the master, left their convents, preached, and ended in loose living. Luther married one, Catherine Bora, but he had at least one child by another. His sermons describe his own morals: "My God, give us many women and few children ....[H]owever ugly the woman, one who has no water to extinguish the fire uses dung."
One is not surprised, then, that when the prince of Hesse consulted him in order to obtain a justification of his bigamy, the old lecher needed no persuasion to find for him good theological arguments.
His flight, though, did not bring Luther peace. His exaltation sometimes gave way to a terrible lucidity. One evening, Luther being in the garden with Kaliche (Catherine Bora), witnesses recorded their dialogue:
"Look, how beautiful the sky is, how the stars twinkle," murmured Catherine.
"Yes, but they do not shine for us."
"Why not?"
A silence. "We left our convents."
"Then, we must return to our vows?"
"It is too late. The wagon is stuck too deep in the mud.”6
The last five years of Luther's life were sinister. His celebrity, which had exhilarated him, was waning. He well knew that he had been domesticated by the powerful. Catherine Bora became bitter and tyrannical. She had no more illusions about the prophet who had enthralled her. He was bitter. He vituperated, threatened, complained, drank. In his letters from this period, there recurs like a leitmotif, under different forms, the avowal: "I am drunk from morning till night."
Good job: you’ve eagerly embraced Romanist fan-fiction as fact.
You might as well believe that Gillian’s Island is a documentary.
#triggerwarning
Wrong. Again.
You’ve already shown astounding ignorance of what Luther actually wrote.
So prove me wrong!
In your over-active imagination, I suppose.
So prove me wrong!
Interesting request. How would I prove to you, for example, that I've read The Book of Concord?
So did all of us, as did most of the people I fellowship with. The truth is breaking out all over. 😁
I am the first one to admit, that I don’t know much about Luther. I guess he was good at nailing things to doors, but beyond that, I don’t know much about him. 😇
Oh, I don’t know.
Maybe a passing knowledge of what we teach about grace, the Ten Commandments, and the Sacraments?
I’ve yet to see any of that, only Rome’s talking points.
And it would certainly be nice if you’d read the Large Catechism and bring up actual quotations from it and objections to Luther’s actual theology instead of childish commentary.
Back to the derogatory words I see.
I'm not surprised.
Hey, I offered my terms to stop, and you rejected them. Don’t whine now.
But really, what kind of deranged loser would believe that the guy who writes for catholicapologetics.info has the superpower to go back in time and read the mind of Martin Luther 400+ years later?
I’d like to think you’re smarter than THAT.
And with that thought, I shall go abed and pray for your soul.
You are a hoot. So, now I have to right a term paper for you to prove that I know Luther's theology? Bringing up actual quotations doesn't indicate that I've read it. Even though I've read it, I don't have it memorized, so I would have to go online to pick a quote for you, which does not demonstrate that I've read it
But just for grins. The Smalcald Articles is a comedy quite entertaining to read. The Large Catechism, contains some Catholic teaching, but there are problems, one being that it cuts out 5 sacraments of the Church.
instead of childish commentary
Seriously, look who's talking.
Oops. Write, not right a term paper.
I haven’t called anyone on this thread a heretic; you’ve used the term “romanist” several times.
Golden rule: You treated me this way first, so that must be how you want to be treated. I aim to please.
Your refusal to prove that you’ve read any of Luther’s actual theology has been noted.
You’ve also shown an unwillingness to string together even three sentences about the Lutheran theology of grace and in what manner works accompany faith.
You’ve even refused to tell me whether you think that Lutherans are taught to obey the Ten Commandments.
In other words, I have my doubts about the sincerity of your claims.
I’m going to bed; I’ll pray for your soul.
Thank-you. Please pray a Hail Mary for me.
Do you honestly think those things were all true about Martin Luther? It’s hard to believe you actually fall head long into believing some of the most easily disproven lies about him I have ever seen! Yet you refuse to read positive things said about him even by Catholics, labeling them all as “heterodox”.
You basically ignore the debauchery and immorality of the Catholic church clergy - all the way up to the Popes - before and after Luther’s day (admitted BY Catholic apologists and Popes) and instead keep attacking a man that you stated you haven’t read his own writings. To boot, you post negative and condemning threads about your current Pope! The irony to be sure must be lost on you.
Should you ever be of a frame of mind to rationally discuss the actual doctrines of the Reformation, I’d be happy to engage. I will pray for you.
Are you posting from your mother's basement.
In other words, I have my doubts about the sincerity of your claims.
Seriously, do you think I care?
Yes, I think you do care, actually. I think you care a great deal.
And the funny thing is that you spent more energy trying to find a way around looking up Lutheran theology than it would have taken to actually look up the Book of Concord online.
I’m sorry for your feelings, heh heh heh.
Goodnight~
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