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To: ReaganGeneration2
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

>>“You. Have. No. Choice. But. To. Obey. Your. Pope.”<<

A) No Christian, Catholic or Protestant, is obliged by God to err.

B) Popes err. Thus, we are not obliged to obey popes.

Ok, what part of this do you disagree with?

This is a bull that has been cited by many, many Roman Catholics to tell Christians they have to be subject to the pope.

The question you as a Roman Catholic have to answer is the pope speaking ex cathedra in this situation?

If he is you have to obey it....if he is not then what's the point??

And for the record, Christians are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

49 posted on 07/05/2018 6:28:49 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“What is the point?”

As Catholics, we do not “obey” the pope on matters he errs on. This papal bull, if truly inspired by the Holy Spirit, may call us to be led by the pope, but certainly does not call us to err.

It cannot, by definition. Part of the issue with modernity is that it often asserts God’s will/power is absolute. (Islam says this, BTW.) It is not. It is ordained. It is absolute only in how He proclaimed it in Scripture (which we interpret with the guidance of the Holy Spirit via tradition and reason). He cannot tell Christians to commit adultery, or to commit sin for it is good, for example. And He cannot tell us to go against Scripture, tradition, reason; He cannot lead us to err.


51 posted on 07/05/2018 6:54:07 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ealgeone

No one is subject to the pope unless they willingly put themslves into subjection to him themselves.

Any claim otherwise is a pure power grab, plain and simple.


85 posted on 07/06/2018 7:11:58 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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