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To: Faith Presses On

Did you know that “reborn” is a mistranslation. Actually “ born again” was not in the original Greek. It was properly “ born from above”. Totally different. Entire professional franchise “ churches” are founded on a mistranslation.
John 3:16 does not require that “ heart be right”. Of course,that is so ambiguous and vague , it means nothing. Purely subjective. But the point being that the only thing required is you “believe in Him.” Then you have eternal life. Note that it does not say “ believe in Him and have your heart right” . Why do you stack things on your salvation ?


73 posted on 06/27/2018 11:21:37 PM PDT by raiderboy (Trump has assured us that he will shut down the government to get the WALL in Sept.)
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To: raiderboy

What you claim to believe is very wrong in so many ways, and everything you say is wrong in so many ways, that someone can hardly begin to address what’s not right.

Now on being born again, that’s what the Bible teaches. I have read translations that translate it “born from above,” and in a sense that’s a better translation since it’s closest to the original language, but God’s Word clearly teaches over and over that we need a second birth in Christ, a spiritual birth in addition to our physical birth. The two births are right there in John 3.

And that is what I mean about what you claim to believe being very wrong in so many ways. If you don’t accept that we need to be born again, then you’re wrong about so much Scripture by not seeing what it teaches on spiritual rebirth, and then your wrong understanding on spiritual rebirth causes you to be wrong on many other things, too.

“Actually “ born again” was not in the original Greek. It was properly “born from above”. Totally different. Entire professional franchise “ churches” are founded on a mistranslation.
John 3:16 does not require that “ heart be right”. Of course,that is so ambiguous and vague , it means nothing. Purely subjective. But the point being that the only thing required is you “believe in Him.” Then you have eternal life. Note that it does not say “ believe in Him and have your heart right.”

Now, once again, John 3, describing two different births, just by itself teaches we need to be born again. So does the rest of the New Testament, and in 1 Peter 1, Peter uses the exact phrase in Greek for “born again” in describing Christians. The fact that Scripture teaches we have to be born again is so extremely simple, if one wants to be in agreement with God, that it’s completely obvious, and that’s especially so since people actually experience it. It’s not only teachings in God’s Word, although that by itself would be enough.

And once again, on what you say about John 3:16, you create your own rules to suit yourself. To allow God to remake us leads to eternal life, while to try to remake God’s Word leads to Hell. So you decide that John 3:16 is one of the few things that will count, and give it the meaning you want. Well, there would be no knowing anything about God the Father and God the Son spoken of in John 3:16 without the rest of the Bible. Who would that “God” be? Zeus? Baal? Allah? Caesar? And what’s God like? Why does He need to give His Son for people to have salvation? And what does “giving” mean there? Then there’s the word “believe.” To your own peril do YOU decide what “believe” means there when one of the most important things God teaches us throughout His Word in both Testaments is what true belief in Him means, and it doesn’t have the meaning that you give it. That must be why you apparently from what you’ve said reject most of God’s Word.

“Why do you stack things on your salvation ?”

Is prayer “stacking things on salvation” to you? And how about you? I asked you before if you prayed, and if you prayed asking to know God’s will for you, and you avoided the question.

I and the others here aren’t stacking things on our salvation. We understand God’s salvation. From what you’ve posted, it seems like you think salvation purchased by Jesus’ blood is a license to freely sin, even an endorsement and encouragement to sin. Is that what you think?


77 posted on 06/30/2018 4:16:29 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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