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The Called Out Ones
Unsealed ^ | 6-19-2018 | Gary

Posted on 06/19/2018 8:43:07 AM PDT by amessenger4god

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To: imardmd1
It was the translations of Erasmus' Greek text that gave force to the public recognition of Romanism's many fallacies

It's fascinating that the Greek Orthodox endorse most of "Romanism's many fallacies". This is clearly due to their defective knowledge of Greek.

41 posted on 06/20/2018 9:07:46 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Elsie
outside which no one at all is saved

Clearly, there's a Baptist heaven, and a Lutheran heaven, and an Episcopalian heaven, and a Presbyterian heaven ... (we might let the Papists slip in there someplace) ... and a Church-of-Christ heaven, and a Pentecostal heaven, and ...

Because God has many brides and is therefore a polygamist? Are you agreeing with Joseph Smith, Elsie?

42 posted on 06/20/2018 9:10:30 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Elsie
But Christianity is NOT a set of rules like the Fu-Fa folks have.

I assume that you mean "not only a set of rules" - because there certainly are rules in most mainstream Judeo-Christian traditions.

Or were are you suggesting that it's some sort of "free-for-all?"

Well, neither is the religion of the Fungo-Fango Tribe "only" a set of rules.

Regards,

43 posted on 06/20/2018 9:55:31 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: imardmd1

Faith does not serve Reason. I believe because I choose to believe, not because God has been proven to me. Or because He HAS to be. Or even CAN be.

The proof is unnecessary. Faith alone is enough.


44 posted on 06/20/2018 9:59:13 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: Elsie; sparklite2
Using this unassailable logic; it is OBVIOUS that YOUR religion is the one to follow.

I think that sparklite2 was quite clear in his statement:

I disbelieve in one more religion than you. You disbelieve 99.9% of the religions, while I disbelieve 100%.

I can't speak for him, of course, but it appears that he's saying that he adheres to no religion (i.e., to no faith-based belief system).

Regards,

45 posted on 06/20/2018 10:00:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Campion

Like the Romish clan, they add a lot to what the Bible has to say. Or ignore it. It has already been shown that the Orthodoxen do not match up with Rome in doctrine.


46 posted on 06/20/2018 10:20:37 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
As I read, he was unable to admit that man's reasoning powers were also affected by Adam's Fall.

LOL. Where did that come from? Certainly not from Aquinas.

Summa Theologica, Question 85, Article III:

Article 3. Whether weakness, ignorance, malice and concupiscence are suitably reckoned as the wounds of nature consequent upon sin?

I answer that, As a result of original justice, the reason had perfect hold over the lower parts of the soul, while reason itself was perfected by God, and was subject to Him. Now this same original justice was forfeited through the sin of our first parent, as already stated (I-II:81:2; so that all the powers of the soul are left, as it were, destitute of their proper order, whereby they are naturally directed to virtue; which destitution is called a wounding of nature.

Again, there are four of the soul's powers that can be subject of virtue, as stated above (I-II:61:2), viz. the reason, where prudence resides, the will, where justice is, the irascible, the subject of fortitude, and the concupiscible, the subject of temperance. Therefore in so far as the reason is deprived of its order to the true, there is the wound of ignorance; in so far as the will is deprived of its order of good, there is the wound of malice; in so far as the irascible is deprived of its order to the arduous, there is the wound of weakness; and in so far as the concupiscible is deprived of its order to the delectable, moderated by reason, there is the wound of concupiscence.

Accordingly these are the four wounds inflicted on the whole of human nature as a result of our first parent's sin. But since the inclination to the good of virtue is diminished in each individual on account of actual sin, as was explained above (I-II:1:2), these four wounds are also the result of other sins, in so far as, through sin, the reason is obscured, especially in practical matters, the will hardened to evil, good actions become more difficult and concupiscence more impetuous.


47 posted on 06/20/2018 10:42:54 AM PDT by Campion
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To: imardmd1
Like the Romish clan, they add a lot to what the Bible has to say

Due primarily to their defective knowledge of their own language, compared to late Renaissance Western Europeans. No doubt.

The Protestantish clan loves to invent history, and comes up with long screeds (like the OP) which cite few or no primary sources, but pontificate about "what must have happened" instead.

48 posted on 06/20/2018 10:45:10 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

You want to drive this discussion by substituting another basis, and I’m not buying. The article defines the articles of faith and practice of a truly New Testament assembly of Christians. This is a culture that rejects adding to or taking from what is clearly taught in the Bible. If you want to object, that’s fine, but I lack the time or desire to argue with you.


49 posted on 06/20/2018 11:13:59 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Campion

Always good to check in with Aquinas. Reading Aquinas is excellent preparatory work for thinking right. Good for high school students.


50 posted on 06/20/2018 11:20:22 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: circlecity
The second half of the book is devoted to Christian theology and is thus considered by many to be the "relevant" half.

Or Catholic??

51 posted on 06/20/2018 2:54:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Campion
Are you agreeing with Joseph Smith, Elsie?

Well...


 

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.                                                        (Where the Father lives.  Only about 15% of Mormons have a VALID TR card.)
Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.     (Where approximately 85% 0f Mormons will end up)
Telestial - where unbelievers go


 
 
The Doctrine and Covenants
Section 76
 
 92 And thus we saw the glory of the celestial, which excels in all things—where God, even the Father, reigns upon his throne forever and ever;
 93 Before whose throne all things bow in humble reverence, and give him glory forever and ever.
 94 They who dwell in his presence are the church of the Firstborn; and they see as they are seen, and know as they are known, having received of his fulness and of his grace;
 95 And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.
 
 
Those who inherit terrestrial glory will “receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father.   https://www.lds.org/topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng  (click view more) 
 
 
 

52 posted on 06/20/2018 2:56:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: alexander_busek
Well, neither is the religion of the Fungo-Fango Tribe "only" a set of rules.

Well; it was NOT evident from the text that you poste:

The "holy scriptures" of the Fungo-Fango Tribe on the island of Bango-Bango all contain "common" (for Bango-Bango) concepts such as "Don't eat squid during a Full Moon," "Spit three times if you see a dolphin," "Kill your new-born babies if they have six toes," "Never forgive your enemies," etc.

53 posted on 06/20/2018 2:58:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: IronJack
The proof is unnecessary. Faith alone is enough.

It appears that MOST of the world agrees with you.

54 posted on 06/20/2018 2:59:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
It appears that MOST of the world agrees with you.

I believe the Bible does too. Or, more accurately, I agree with it.

55 posted on 06/20/2018 3:10:26 PM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: Elsie

Catholic? Well, Augustine very much believed in predestination so you tell me.


56 posted on 06/20/2018 3:15:38 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Elsie
Well; it was NOT evident from the text that you poste:

You mean: You erroneously assumed that about the Fungo-Fango Tribe's religion because I didn't explicitly mention it.

I can see that you'll have to first read all 2,389 "Sacred Scrolls" on the religion of the Fungo-Fango Tribe before we can have an intelligent conversation about your salvation!

Regards,

57 posted on 06/20/2018 9:13:34 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
You erroneously assumed that about the Fungo-Fango Tribe's religion because I didn't explicitly mention it.

No; I merely pointed out a LACK of any evidence shown.

58 posted on 06/21/2018 4:48:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: alexander_busek

May his noodly appendage have mercy upon you.


59 posted on 06/21/2018 4:49:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: amessenger4god
I've been busy the last few days so just getting around to reading this article. It is very well written and I appreciate the many links to sites that contain excellent source material. Thanks.

Something I would add to this part:

Not only did the Dead Sea Scrolls disprove that claim, showing that the Old Testament we have today is equivalent to the one used by Christ and His disciples, but they also provided rock-solid evidence that certain prophecies about Jesus Christ were written before He was born.

We can also know the Old Testament Messianic prophecies were written before the birth of Christ because the Septuagint existed two hundred years before. The Septuagint was the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament books in addition to several other non-inspired ones.

60 posted on 06/21/2018 5:13:43 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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