Posted on 06/15/2018 4:41:29 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
Irrelevant.
SCRIPTURE preceded your church.
Compiling all Scripture into one handy compendium is not great intellectual feat. It was going to happen some day by someone for the sake of convenience.
Taking credit for it is a power grab, plain and simple.
We both mis-spoke, didn’t we?
I should have said that the Christ and the Church came after the Old Testament.
I could have also said that Christ came before the New Testament. (Dates from the New Testament range from year 50 through year 100.)
No, I didn’t.
You said:
**SCRIPTURE preceded your church.**
Not all Scripture preceded the Catholic Church. As I said above Christ and the Church came before the New Testament since those books were written after Christ’s death.
So I believe this was mis-spoken.
Go back and re-read post 5. I agree with you!
There's no need to yell (caps). I too believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic church but probably not in the same sense you do.
"One" - Believers are one in Christ.
"Holy" - Believers are holy in Christ.
"Catholic" - Believers are universally accepted in Christ.
"Apostolic" - The foundation of Christ's church is the apostles and prophets. Jesus is the head of His body - not the apostles and prophets. (Ephesians 2:18-22)
Let me challenge you to think about this assertion.
Consider: The Bible is merely a record of history. The Bible is not the history, it a recording of that history. When things occurred and when they were written are two different things.
Consider: The events of the OT and writing of the Torah existed before the church, i.e., before Pentecost which is when the church was born.
Consider: The gospels are recording of events, history if you will, of the time "before" Pentecost. Another way of saying this is that the gospels are recording of events, history if you will, of the time "before" the advent of the church.
Conclusion: The testimony/events of the OT and the testimony/events of the gospels occurred/existed before Pentecost, i.e., before Pentecost the church.
Again, "when" books of the Bible were written is not when the testimonies/events in those books occurred.
The church did not exist when the Torah was written. It's generally agreed that the gospels were written before 70-AD, so to say that the church preceded the "writing" of the gospels would be true. However, if we were to assert that the church preceded the testimony/events recorded in the gospels, that would be false.
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