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To: Mercat
Is Bible Hub your source exclusively? I prefer the Ignatius Bible edited by Scott Hahn.

No, but it is a good one.

My sources included the Word Bible Commentary and the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament and the Catholic Encyclopedia online.

I also provided you with the Greek definitions of the words in question.

Rome for some reason seems to ignore those.

The vast majority of Rome's position on the Immaculate Conception and perpetual virginity of Mary is based on two bad translations found in the Vulgate.

As I noted on another post, but I will quote again from the Catholic Encyclopedia regarding the Immaculate Conception. ]Bolded emphasis and paragraph split are mine for clarity.]

No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture. But the first scriptural passage which contains the promise of the redemption, mentions also the Mother of the Redeemer. The sentence against the first parents was accompanied by the Earliest Gospel (Proto-evangelium), which put enmity between the serpent and the woman: "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and her seed; she (he) shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her (his) heel" (Genesis 3:15).

The translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

If one of Roman Catholic's own sources admits the translation of Genesis 3:15, one of the primary verses upon which the Immaculate Conception is founded, cannot be defended critically, then I would call into question the rest of the Vulgate and the Roman Catholic position on this issue

If you read the entire article on how the Immaculate Conception came to be it is very eye-opening.

It is not grounded in Scripture.

Nor can Rome cannot appeal to the "unanimous" consent of the Early Church Fathers on this issue.

The only appeal they really have is "it seems like" and "it should be".

This was not a teaching that was "handed down" by the Apostles. That is clear.

What are EFCs?

opps...typo. Should be ECFs.... Early Church Fathers.

You and I are both Christians. That’s our common ground.

Not per official Roman Catholic doctrine we're not.

I do not subject myself to the pope nor do I believe the dogmas Rome says are necessary for salvation....such as the Immaculate Conception, the perpertual virginity, etc. I do not believe the Roman Catholic Mass is grounded in Scripture either.

I believe we come to Christ through faith in Him and only Him (Rms 10:9-13; Ephesians 2:8-9). Only His shed blood cleanses us from all of our sin and the sacrifice of the Cross was a one time event not to be repeated.

I believe we do not lose our salvation as we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (John 10:27-30; Ephesians 1:13-14).

I believe that only Christ is our Redeemer (Romans 3:23-24, Colossians 1:13-14) and our only Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).

I believe the Bible is the only source of truth for us as it is the only inspired writings we have.

94 posted on 06/15/2018 5:32:21 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“Not per official Roman Catholic doctrine we’re not.“

My last post then. God bless.


95 posted on 06/15/2018 5:35:21 PM PDT by Mercat
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