[tiredofallofit]

Isn’t it ironic how Calvin starts the discussion by warning people not to delve into the doctrine of Election too deeply yet he does exactly this in the subsequent pages? When I read this section, I hear him saying that mere mortals should not investigate this issue too deeply yet he (Calvin) is qualified to do just that. In other words, you shouldn’t think about this too much - but allow me to tell you all about it.

Please answer me this question regarding this famous Pauline quote about Jacob and Esau which you just alluded to - who was Paul quoting? And when was this “statement” about Jacob and Esau made?

[metmom]

When I read this section, I hear him saying that mere mortals should not investigate this issue too deeply yet he (Calvin) is qualified to do just that. In other words, you shouldn’t think about this too much - but allow me to tell you all about it.

Red flag time.

Anyone who claims to understand how God does something, doesn't.