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To: Luircin
"I know it is against the laws of God and man, but I can do it anyway because I am saved" -- heard it from a FReeper, in fact.

"Pecca fortiter." - Martin Luther

I would not say, though, that Luther actually meant sinning so that grace would more abound--- an error St. Paul warned against. It's one of those short, intentionally provocative slogans which positively requires interpretation: like St. Augustine's "Love, and do what you will."

21 posted on 05/15/2018 8:46:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever is pure, anything of excellence, and anything praiseworthy—keep thinking about these thing)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Campion

“I know it is against the laws of God and man, but I can do it anyway because I am saved” — heard it from a FReeper, in fact.

“Pecca fortiter.” - Martin Luther

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1: It’s a logical fallacy to ascribe to all Christians the acts of a single person.

2: That quote of Luther’s is PAINFULLY taken out of context, unfortunately.

Look at the context, and you see Luther was talking about being bold when confessing one’s sins and admitting freely that yes, we are sinners before God, and we depend on the Lord’s grace and not our own works.

Luther was saying, “Don’t hide your sins; confess your sins,” and “No sin is too great for God to forgive.”

He NEVER told people to go out and sin, and he was furious when people started to do so.

Additionally, here are some additional quotes from Luther re: works and faith.

““I have often said that there are two kinds of faith. First, a faith in which you indeed believe that Christ is such a man as he is described and proclaimed here and in all the Gospels, but do not believe that he is such a man for you, and are in doubt whether you have any part in him and think: Yes, he is such a man to others, to Peter, Paul, and the blessed saints; but who knows that he is such to me and that I may expect the same from him and may confide in it, as these saints did? Behold, this faith is nothing, it does not receive Christ nor enjoy him, neither can it feel any love and affection for him or from him. It is a faith about Christ and not in or of Christ, a faith which the devils also have as well as evil men…That alone can be called Christian faith, which believes without wavering that Christ is the Saviour not only to Peter and to the saints but also to you. Your salvation does not depend on the fact that you believe Christ to be the Saviour of the godly, but that he is a Saviour to you and has become your own. Such a faith will work in you love for Christ and joy in him, and good works will naturally follow. If they do not, faith is surely not present: for where faith is, there the Holy Ghost is and must work love and good works.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:21-22]

“For it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present. Therefore man knows by the fruits what kind of a tree it is, and it is proved by love and deed whether Christ is in him and he believes in Christ. As St. Peter says in 2 Pet. 1, 10: “Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure; for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble,” that is, if you bravely practice good works you will be sure and cannot doubt that God has called and chosen you.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:40]

“But here we must take to heart the good example of Christ in that he appeals to his works, even as the tree is known by its fruits, thus rebuking all false teachers, the pope, bishops, priests and monks to appear in the future and shield themselves by his name, saying, “We are Christians;” just as the pope is boasting that he is the vicar of Christ. Here we have it stated that where the works are absent, there is also no Christ. Christ is a living, active and fruit- bearing character who does not rest, but works unceasingly wherever he is. Therefore, those bishops and teachers that are not doing the works of Christ, we should avoid and consider as wolves.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 1:93]

“But you say I would indeed await [Christ’s] coming with joy, if I were holy and without sin. I should answer, what relief do you find in fear and flight? It would not redeem you from sin if you were to be filled with terror for a thousand years. The damned are eternally filled with fear of that day, but this does not take away their sin; yea, this fear rather increases sin and renders man unfit to appear without sin on that day when it comes. Fear must pass out of the soul and there must enter in a desire for righteousness and for that day. But if you really desire to be free from sin and to be holy, then give thanks to God and continue to desire to be more free from sin. Would to God that such desire were so sincere and powerful in you as to bring you to your death.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:76-77]

“What Augustine says is indeed true: He who has created you without yourself will not save you without yourself. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation; for faith alone gives life. For the sake of hypocrites it should be said that good works are necessary for salvation. Works must be done, but it does not follow from this that works save… Works save externally, that is, they testify that we are just and that in a man there is that faith which saves him internally, as Paul says: ‘With the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation’.” [What Luther Says 3: 1509]

More by the grace of God: https://web.archive.org/web/20140528104851/http://tquid.sharpens.org/sin_boldly.htm#c5 (If it doesn’t skip to the quotes, go to part 6)

Forgive the wall o’ text, but this is one of my bigger pet peeves.


24 posted on 05/15/2018 8:54:14 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen and second it.


27 posted on 05/15/2018 9:03:08 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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