Sure looks like the "nickname" has stuck.
Roman Catholics on these threads have some of the worst apologetics for Roman Catholicism.
Then you don’t believe in St Peter or the Catholic authors that wrote the text of the New Testament inspired by the Holy Spirit.
So you have proof (or just your personal opinion) that the Catholic Church was not founded by Jesus Christ and imbued with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and has not spread the good news as Christ instructed? Also please document the “Roman Church” or acknowledge that this is just a protestant nickname.
So what church do you belong to? Is it organized or just appears from space? Please document when “the Roman church” was established?
Your comment: “Christ would be surprised to find He needed help in the work of salvation. His finished work on the cross is sufficient and needs no help, not from us, from Mary or from the Roman church.”
We still need to accept Jesus by Baptism and follow His commandments to Love God and our neighbor.
So the good news was spread by itself - Christ used His Church, the Apostles and successors to spread the good news. Many baptized Catholics have influenced others by their lives and martyrdom to follow Christ.
Yes the Catholic Church has saints and sinners and its mission is to lead all to eternal life with Jesus. This includes, popes and priests and many others. It has made many mistakes and endured heresies and significant sinfulness and yet has endured and stayed true to God’s Word. I don’t believe that the Catholic Church has all the Truth, as there are many mysteries that even Jesus told us that we would not fully know. We have faith in Jesus.
You make general statements (personal opinion) without documentation: “Your group has added its writings and man made rules to be equal to Scripture and done so without shame, in fact you are proud of it. You have robbed your followers of the blessed assurance of their salvation then scoffed at those who have it.”
I hope you find Peace and Truth in Christ’s Church.
I already have. I hope you do some day as well
Your error is you claim the apostles as members of your Roman sect when they would be surprised to know that. The apostles and early Christians worshipped Christ in Spirit and in Truth just as His followers do today. They had nothing to do with the sect founded by Constantine 300 years later. Whether you acknowledge it or not.
Did not the Council of Trent formally equate “Tradition” to be equal with Scripture?
No, you need to have proof that He DID; that what He meant when He said that He would BUILD His church meant Roman Catholicism.
The generic word *church* does not by default mean Roman Catholicism in spite of what the Catholic church claims. Their claim does not make it so.
Also please document the “Roman Church” or acknowledge that this is just a protestant nickname.
No, it's not just a *Protestant nickname*. I explained before, but it seems to have escaped the notice of most Roman Catholic so I'll explain it again.
The Eastern Orthodox do not hold to Roman Catholic doctrine and teachings. They do not recognize the papcay and consider the Roman rite to be in schism with true Catholicism.
Likewise, the Roman rite considers the EO to be in schism with themselves.
Since there are clear differences in doctrine and the supremacy of the pope is being addressed, that is strictly a Roman rite thing and to use the generic word Catholic which would be default include the EO, would be a disservice to them and falsely misrepresenting what they hold to.
Here are some of the areas of difference between the Roman rite and the EO.
These differences are so important that there has been no reconciliation in nearly a thousand years after the split. The Eastern Orthodox differ with Roman Catholicism on these issues:
The Holy Spirit (the filioque)
In EO - The third person of the Trinity, proceeding from the Father alone as in the original Nicene Creed. The Father sends the Spirit at the intercession of the Son. The Son is therefore an agent only in the procession of the Spirit.
In RC - 'When the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, He is not separated from the Father, He is not separated from the Son'.
Mary - Assumption and Immaculate conception of
EO - The Assumption is accepted and it is agreed that Mary experienced physical death, but the Immaculate conception is rejected. Orthodox belief is that the guilt of original sin is not transmitted from one generation to the next, thus obviating the need for Mary to be sinless.
RC - Both are dogmas of the church. The church has not as yet decided whether Mary actually experienced Physical death. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception states that Mary, was at conception 'preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin' and should not be confused with the virgin birth.
Pope - Authority of
EO - As the Bishop of Rome, he has a primacy of honour when Orthodox, not of jurisdiction. At present, his primacy is not effective as the papacy needs to be reformed in accordance with Orthodoxy. His authority is thus no greater or lesser than any of his fellow Bishops in the church.
RC - The Pope is the 'Vicar of Christ' i.e. the visible head of the church on earth and spiritual successor of St. Peter. He has supreme authority (including that over church councils) within Christendom (The Power of the keys).
Pope - Infallibility of
EO - Papal Infallibility is rejected. The Holy Spirit acts to guide the church into truth through (for example) ecumenical councils. This Orthodoxy recognises the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787) as being infallible.
RC - The Pope is infallible when, through the Holy Spirit, he defines a doctrine on faith and morals that is to be held by the whole church. This is a dogma and is therefore a required belief within Catholicism.
Purgatory
EO - An intermediate state between earth and heaven is recognised, but cleansing and purification occur in this life, not the next.
RC - A place of cleansing and preparation for heaven. Also a place where the punishment due to unremitted venial sins may be expiated.
I'd say these were the "biggies", but other differences also exist. These are explained here.
Sure looks like the "nickname" has stuck.
Roman Catholics on these threads have some of the worst apologetics for Roman Catholicism.
Once again, let's let Roman Catholicism speak for Roman Catholicism...but some general history of the term first.
The term "Roman", as in the "Roman Church", has been used since the Middle Ages – often connoting the local particular church of the Diocese of Rome – the first known occurrence of "Roman Catholic" as a synonym for "Catholic Church" was in communication with the Armenian Apostolic Church in 1208, after the East–West Schism.
Formulations such as the "Holy Roman Church" or the "Roman Catholic Church" were sometimes used by officials of the Catholic Church before[9][10] and after the Reformation,[11][12][13][14][15] especially in the context of ecumenical dialogue where the dialogue partner had a reason to prefer this usage. It is also used for instance in wordings such as Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church, referring to the Diocese of Rome.
The use of "Catholic Church" is usually preferred by the Holy See and most of its adherents. The last official magisterium document to use "Roman Catholic Church" was issued by Pope Pius XII in 1950.[16] "Catholic Church" was used by Pope Paul VI when signing the documents of the Second Vatican Council.[17] This preference also usually appears on the website of the Holy See. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, only "Catholic Church" is used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term)
Now we shall allow Roman Catholicism to speak for itself on the issue at hand.
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Pope Innocent III, (1208: DS 792): "We believe in our heart and confess in our mouth that there is one Church, not of heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic apostolic Church, outside of which we believe no one is saved."
Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 - 1216): "With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved." (Denzinger 423)
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In 1321 Pope John XXII wrote in a letter to the Armenians: "[The Roman Catholic Church] teaches...that the souls...of those who die in mortal sin, or with original sin only, descend immediately into hell; however to be punished with different penalties and in different places." (Denz. 493a)
http://www.catholic-legate.com/articles/rigorism.html
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Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (A.D. 1438 - 1445): "[The most Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart `into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels' (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Salvation_Outside.html
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27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith. HUMANI GENERIS 1950
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There is only one true Church, the Roman Catholic Church, outside which there is no salvation.
We must believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church; hence, they who are out of our Church, or they who are separated from it, cannot be saved.
But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe that there is a true religion; and if you do not believe that the Roman Catholic is the true one, tell me, which one is? Saint Alphonsus Maria Liguori 1696-1787
http://www.catholictradition.org/Tradition/salvation2-7.htm
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It must be held as a matter of faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only Ark of Salvation, and that whoever does not enter it will perish in the Flood. 1846-1878 - Bl. Pope Pius IX http://www.catholictradition.org/Saints/saintly-quotes26.htm
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You sure you're Roman Catholic??
Then you need to tell that to these Catholic churches that put it on their signs.
FWIW, In Buffalo it's very common to use the term *Roman Catholic*. The reason for that is that there is a large Ukrainian population and quite a number of Ukrainian Catholics and a couple large Ukrainian Catholic churches.
And I can guarantee you, the Ukrainian Catholics know that the Roman rite does not consider the Ukrainian rite to be as good a Catholic as the Roman rite.
It sure seems that the Roman Catholic church does a good job at alienating those who do not toe the party line - EXACTLY.