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To: Luircin

>>There is no such thing as penance taught in Scripture.<<

The first 20 of 61 Bible quotes referencing “penance”.

1
100%

“I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.”
[Luke 15:7]
2
100%

“But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of penance.”
[Acts Of Apostles 26:20]
3
100%

“Be mindful therefore from whence thou art fallen: and do penance, and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penance.”
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 2:5]
4
50%

“Let him do penance for his sin,”
[Leviticus 5:5]
5
50%

“If thy people Israel shall fly before their enemies, (because they will sin against thee,) and doing penance, and confessing to thy name, shall come, and pray, and make supplications to thee in this house:”
[3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:33]
6
50%

“If heaven shall be shut up, and there shall be no rain, because of their sins, and they praying in this place, shall do penance to thy name, and shall be converted from their sins, by occasion of their afflictions:”
[3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:35]
7
50%

“Then if they do penance in their heart in the place of captivity, and being converted make supplication to thee in their captivity, saying: We have sinned, we have done unjustly, we have committed wickedness:”
[3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:47]
8
50%

“If thy people Israel be overcome by their enemies, (for they will sin against thee,) and being converted shall do penance, and call upon thy name, and pray to thee in this place,”
[2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 6:24]
9
50%

“And if they be converted in their heart in the land to which they were led captive, and do penance, and pray to thee in the land of their captivity, saying: We have sinned, we have done wickedly, we have dealt unjustly:”
[2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 6:37]
10
50%

“And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land.”
[2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 7:14]
11
50%

“And after that he was in distress he prayed to the Lord his God: and did penance exceedingly before the God of his fathers.”
[2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 33:12]
12
50%

“His prayer also, and his being heard, and all his sins, and contempt, and places wherein he built high places, and set up groves, and statues before he did penance, are written in the words of Hozai.”
[2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 33:19]
13
50%

“Hear, I beseech you, my words, and do penance.”
[Job 21:2]
14
50%

“God hath given him place for penance, and he abuseth it unto pride: but his eyes are upon his ways.”
[Job 24:23]
15
50%

“Therefore I reprehend myself, and do penance in dust and ashes.”
[Job 42:6]
16
50%

“The Lord also was turned at the penance of Job, when he prayed for his friends. And the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.”
[Job 42:10]
17
50%

“Saying: If we do not penance, we shall fall into the hands of the Lord, and not into the hands of men.”
[Ecclesiasticus 2:22]
18
50%

“Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee.”
[Ecclesiasticus 48:8]
19
50%

“I attended, and hearkened; no man speaketh what is good, there is none that doth penance for his sin, saying: What have I done? They are all turned to their own course, as a horse rushing to the battle.”
[Jeremias (Jeremiah) 8:6]
20
50%

“For after thou didst convert me, I did penance: and after thou didst shew unto me, I struck my thigh: I am confounded and ashamed, because I have borne the reproach of my youth.”
[Jeremias (Jeremiah) 31:19]

http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=penance&b=drb


83 posted on 05/10/2018 6:02:14 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; metmom
1: That should be addressed to metmom, not me; she's the one who originally stated what I responded to. 2: Once again we have to go back to the original languages; which translation are you using? Other translations don't have the word 'penance' in them at all. So let's go back to the Greek. The Greek word metanoeó in the NT, which are used in various forms in the verses you quoted doesn't have the meaning of doing physical works; it comes from 'meta' which means after or with--usually meaning some kind of change when used in a compound word--and 'noeo' which means to think or to perceive. The etymology of the word therefore means 'to change one's mind.' And thus the 'works of penance' are not mentioned; it is an internal change, often used in connection with A: baptism and B: work of the Holy Spirit. In Hebrew, the words that your translation calls 'penance' are שוב shuv (to return) and נחם nacham (to feel sorrow). Again, no mention of works, but rather turning back and to be sorrowful for one's actions. So in Scripture, the idea of having to do good works in order to be forgiven, as the concept of penance says, does not exist. Good works are, of course, very important to do, but they don't earn forgiveness.
85 posted on 05/10/2018 6:32:15 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ebb tide; Luircin; ealgeone; aMorePerfectUnion; Mark17; Elsie
There is no word *penance* in Scripture.

The word in the Greek is *repentance* which means this.....

http://biblehub.com/greek/3340.htm

Strong's Concordance

repent

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

HELPS Word-studies

3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").

Catholicism's misuse and mistranslation of the word *penance* where ever Scripture says *repent* is diabolical.

It will lead people astray into damnation thinking they need to *do penance* to obtain forgiveness of sins.

There is no grace in that but rather it's wages due for for deeds performed.

92 posted on 05/10/2018 7:45:09 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide
I see why your denomination didn't want the laity to read the texts for themselves.

I also didn't realize just how flawed the DR translation really is.

As others have noted, the Greek word does not convey what Rome wants it to.

So here we have another bad translation leading to more bad theology.

Roman Catholics would serve themselves well to ditch the Latin and learn the texts in the Greek and Hebrew.

106 posted on 05/11/2018 4:10:45 AM PDT by ealgeone
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