Posted on 04/25/2018 7:55:14 AM PDT by Salvation
**Beyond these created wonders many things lie hid. Only a few of God’s works have we seen (Sirach 43:34).**
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Thanks!
Bookmarked.
What the heck is “Sirach”?
And how does the author confuse information we ‘can’t handle’ with information that is somehow “sinful” to inquire after?
Give Wikipedia a go...
“with a rainbow above his head”
I guess the “7 thunders” refers to the 3-dollar bill crowd: LGBTIQA
Get a Catholic Bible.
Or, as I would have said, "Get an unabridged Bible."
Always good advice.
You’re just more tactful than I am! LOL!
Okay. That’s half of the answer.
What’s the other half?
Ah. Ecclesiatus is in my copy of the Apocrypha.
Never heard of it referred to as “Sirach”.
rumors, gossip, false accusations, spreading evil comes to mind.
He does speculate that on God's part, one reason why He may withhold some info from us is that He is sparing us from things we can't handle.
But on our part, Pope mentions only two cases where the pursuit of info could be sinful. First, details about people’s private lives, which are none of our business. That would be violation of privacy. Second, info by which we can acquire destructive power over others.
Other than that, as I read it, Pope is saying that pursuit of some secret knowledge might lead to grief, may often be useless, but without necessarily being sinful.
That makes sense. Thank you.
Could an example be “Knowing why someone died”?
What happens before thunder? That is where the action is.
There is also a reference to the underreported “seven thunders,” reminding us that there are some things that are not for us to know.
Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down” (Rev 10:1-4).
Seven thunders (voices):
Psalms 29
1 <A Psalm of David.> Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty, give unto the LORD glory and strength.
2 Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.
3 The voice of the LORD is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the LORD is upon many waters.
4 The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty.
5 The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon.
6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
7 The voice of the LORD divideth the flames of fire.
8 The voice of the LORD shaketh the wilderness; the LORD shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh.
9 The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory.
10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD sitteth King for ever.
11 The LORD will give strength unto his people; the LORD will bless his people with peace.
voice:
06963 qowl {kole} or qol {kole}
from an unused root meaning to call aloud; TWOT - 1998a,2028b; n m
AV - voice 383, noise 49, sound 39, thunder 10, proclamation + 05674 4,
send out + 05414 2, thunderings 2, fame 1, misc 16; 506
A few examples where kol is translated as thunder:
Exodus 9:23 And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt.
1 Samuel 12:18 So Samuel called unto the LORD; and the LORD sent thunder and rain that day: and all the people greatly feared the LORD and Samuel.
Job 28:26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
Job 38:25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars.
A rainbow is the visible spectrum of light, known by seven colors and thus named Roy G. Biv. What's in a name?
Mathematically in Hebrew, seven thunders and a rainbow are related:
A voice/thunder (kol, קול) = 136, thus seven of them = 136 x 7 = 952
A rainbow (kesheth, קשת) spelled in full = 186 (קוף, kuf) + 360 (שין, shin) + 406 (תו, tav) = 952
There's a lot more in that number, pertaining to other Hebrew name relationships, esp, WRT light, but that's the simple mathematical connection of a rainbow meeting up with seven voices. It's all perfectly organized and interconnected on multiple levels, unlike Establishment wisdom-babble that is out there purporting to be the voice of God.
You can even add the Hebrew colors* that spell the name Roy (meaning "king") in English, and the sum is 620, which is a keter (כתר), a crown, exactly what you'd expect to find on a king's head.
*
Red (אדום) = 51
Orange (כתום) = 466
Yellow (צהוב) = 103
= 620
Puns are the "lowest form of humor", so as Divine patterns plainly indicate, expect quite the elevation in status.
I'm thinking it depends on the circumstances.
For instance, if there is a possibility of criminal involvement, finding out "why somebody died" might be not just a right, but an obligation. That's what criminal forensic investigation is all about.
On the other hand, say an obituary appears in the newspapers announcing someone's unexpected death, and the cause of death is not listed in the obit. It could be that the next of kin or the deceased him/herself would not have wanted people prying out and discussing the details.
Prying into that sort of thing just to satisfy curiosity is, I think, unjustified. Gossip is wrong, and Scripture says we will have to account for every careless word.
The first time I opened a NABRE, my question was where the heck is Sirach?
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