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To: Salvation; aMorePerfectUnion; tjd1454; MayflowerMadam; sparklite2; Steelfish; JesusIsLord; ...
Again I’ll take Christ’s words over any others.

No, you do not, as instead you wrest His words to mean something contrary to His other words, personally and by His Spirit. You hold that John 6:53 is literal, meaning one must physically consume the non-bloody body and blood of Christ under the appearance of (non-existent) bread and wine in order to have life in them.

Yet even in the same chapter the Lord said

"As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." (John 6:57) "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4) Thus

Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. (John 4:34)

Which corresponds to the interpretation the Lord gave to those who presumed He was going to feed them His body and bread on earth, as Moses fed them literal bread:

What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:62-63)

And there is nothing about the metaphysical explanation Catholicism must resort to since her priests cannot change bread and wine into the actual manifestly physical bloody flesh and blood.

Moreover, NOWHERE in Scripture is spiritual life obtained by literally physically eating anything, much less by NT priests feeding them, but instead, spiritual life is obtained by believing the gospel message, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13)

Instead the primary work of NT pastors is that of prayer and preaching. (Act 6:3,4; 2 Tim.4:2) by which they “feed the flock” (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2) for the word is what is called spiritual food, "milk," (1Co. 3:22; 1Pt. 1:22) and "meat," (Heb. 5:12-14) which is said to "nourish" the souls of believers and build them up, (1 Timothy 4:6; Acts 20:32) and believing it is how the lost obtain life in themselves. (Acts 15:7-9; cf. Psalms 19:7)

See extensive examination here , by God's grace.

193 posted on 04/22/2018 6:18:43 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
but instead, spiritual life is obtained by believing the gospel message, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13)

I agree Dan, but sometimes one must thoroughly define what it means to “believe.”

198 posted on 04/22/2018 6:27:54 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: daniel1212; Salvation

I accept and believe that the Holy Eucharist is the Body Blood of Jesus. The consecrated host has been scientifically examined and determined to be heart muscle that was stressed and the blood type AB.

I realize that you do not believe in the Truth of Jesus as Jesus stated:

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Mt 26:26-28; cf. Mk 14:22-24, Lk 22:17-20, 1 Cor 11:23-25)

Perhaps the following article may help you understand.

http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist/the-real-presence-of-jesus-christ-in-the-sacrament-of-the-eucharist-basic-questions-and-answers.cfm

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. However, your word and posting a few passages from the Bible does not change the word of Jesus. I believe in Jesus as the Apostles did. Some Jews did not believe and left.

Perhaps you may want to read about the tough love of Jesus in expressing His love for us and hoping that we do not reject His Word.

When our dear Lord was teaching the crowds of the Jews about the Holy Eucharist, in the sixth chapter of John’s Gospel, he was giving them his heart, his burning love, the means of their salvation. But this meant also that he was beginning the sacrifice of his own life for them, which is what the Holy Eucharist is in essence: the offering of the Body and Blood of the Lord, given up and poured out for us sinners.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-love-with-courage

To receive Christ in the Eucharist, one can consider joining the RCIA program at a Catholic Church.

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/who-we-teach/rite-of-christian-initiation-of-adults/index.cfm


203 posted on 04/22/2018 7:02:26 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: daniel1212
No, you do not, as instead you wrest His words to mean something contrary to His other words, personally and by His Spirit.

Do you see my posts disagreeing with your viewpoint? Which ones?

243 posted on 04/22/2018 11:11:49 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: daniel1212

“No man comes to the Father except through me.”
~ Jesus Christ

“There is but one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” ~ Apostle Paul

I’ll believe the word of God, which I know very well. I’ve also had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ for 52 years. What’s more, people were saved by faith even before the founding of the church. People are still saved by faith, “faith in Christ,” not faith in an organization.


366 posted on 04/23/2018 12:35:47 PM PDT by evangmlw
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