Posted on 04/02/2018 12:11:33 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
RUSH: You hear what Pat Buchanan said when he learned that the pope said that there’s no hell? Buchanan said, “Well, then what did Jesus die on the cross for if not to save us from going there?” Which is a brilliant and very simply logical question to ask. Buchanan, by the way, is a devout mainstream Catholic. Now, as far as the controversy is concerned, the pope, even before this — I’m not Catholic, so let me get that stated up front. I have great admiration for many people who are. Do not misunderstand. But I’m not Catholic.
But it’s easy to see that with this pope, the left is even corrupting the Catholic Church. I can remember 25 years ago on this program when Cardinal O’Connor was cardinal of New York City. I met him on a pro-life cruise, actually, around New York harbor shortly after my arrival there. I’d been invited by people I didn’t even know who had heard this new guy on the radio in town who was actively, proudly, publicly pro-life. And that was my first introduction to some really powerful people in New York.
Bowie “The Grand” Kuhn, commissioner of baseball, former commissioner of baseball was on the cruise. Wellington Mara, the New York Giants, Cardinal O’Connor there was. And it was shortly after the time that ACT UP had been parading through St. Patrick’s Cathedral and throwing condoms during one of Cardinal O’Connor’s masses.
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But even more insidious is how he is working his action program for propagating the infidelity. He does not do it directly, by saying "I am canceling THIS and enacting THAT." Instead, he insinuates an idea in a stage-whisper ("maybe no hell"), then he sorta-kinda takes it back ("it wasn't an interview, those weren't my exact words") and then he reasserts it ("hmm, maybe sinful souls just cease to be") and the he semi-denies it again.
It is fundamentallly manipulative and dishonest.
Actually that is not true.
They are more pro-family than many Christians.
They watch out for other Jews independent if they are religious or not.
They value a quality education FAR more than most Christians.
Frankly, our Jewish friends could teach Christians a great deal
Thanks for the link...
But if the pope is Christs representative on earth ya think he would not revise Christs words....despite modern imaginings.
The Pope is like no other in the history of Christianity. No pope and no canonized saint in the past 2,000 years would agree with the things this pope is saying. He is engaged in the systematic demolition of Catholic doctrine.
I know a thing or two about history. There have been popes with private vices. There have been popes who were corrupt political operators. But there haven't been popes who spent their whole pontificate contradicting all of their predecessors and deconstructing the teachings of the Faith and Moral Law.
There has NEVER been a pope like this.
But if all is permitted then we tend to carom into each other like frenetic particles in an atom smasher. We are a social species: All laws stem from that into how we must behave to be able to get along with each other.
Yeah, yeah, in one way it's a Catholic problem. In another way, it's a world problem, because systematic subversion of Christian faith and morals will negatively impact not just 1.2 billion Catholics, but every other church and every entity on this planet.
It's not like the tidal pull of the moon. It's like the tidal pull of a next-door Jupiter.
The ultimate destructiveness of his man's actions are incalculable.
The Holy Spirit is still the Lord and Giver of life. The Holy Spirit controls every beat of his heart. And mine. And yours.
An innovator is not a careful reformer or steadfast orthodox defender. An innovator is an experimenter, a dilettante — someone enthralled by their own imaginings.
We have many distractions in the modern era and many political and philosophical doctrines to poison our thinking.
Better to look to the spirit, authority and detail of the patristic writers who had lifetimes of devotional study to the actual authorities and the apostles themselves.
According to blogger Vox Cantoris (LINK):
"Antonio Socci is reporting on his blog, Lo Straniero, that at least one non-Italian Cardinal, representing others contacted Bergoglio directly and was "indignant" over "Hellgate" and the reporting of two explicit heresies and denial of two Catholic doctrines, the existence of Hell and the immortality of the soul. This caused the communications office to issue its supposed clarification. Socci reports that Bergoglio was told that this was one of the "four cases of cessation of the Petrine ministry."
I have no idea how accurate this blog may be. I do hope somebody is confronting Francis with the possibility that outright heresy could lead to him being deposed.
How the Cardinals could work that I don't know, but I'm hoping they can.
Well, you’re right that in one way it’s a world problem, and that the pope does have an impact on Christianity, even non-Catholic Christianity, as well as th world.
But I don’t have the time to dig into each and every attack on him. I did that in the beginning, and what I found was that most if not all of the attacks were taken out of context, or simply an outright misstatement of what he had actually said.
So I give him the benefit of the doubt. When I see him say there is no hell with my own two eyes, I’ll believe the Catholic church has a serious problem. As long as it’s one reporter that could have gotten it wrong, the issue gets a shrug.
Not being a Catholic, attempt to keep a distance from the Vatican and its current conspiracies. The first Pope of recollection, one remembered with fondness due to his accomplishments was Pope John Paul II. Though it may be a challenge in living up to this man of GOD, this is the first seen to fail when approaching every law of God. The current Pope has portrayed Peter’s Principal quite well. If not for color, he and BO’B could have been born of the same mother. (GOD forgive me for the truth as I see it.) HE would not want a lie.
I have been following him. I used to be the editor of our humble parish newsletter, and for that reason plugged into "Pope Francis" on Google Alert and other systems.
There first 2 or 2 1/2 years I did everything possible to read every ambiguity in the best light and to give him every benefit of the doubt. Other Catholic Freepers here know what an active little Francis Fan-girl I was nonstop explaining, interpreting, contextualizing, etc.
At the publication of Laudato Si (Francis' Environmentalist Encyclical, June 2015), the longest encyclical in history (45,000 words), I read the whole thing repeatedly and analytically, and tried to process how much of it was actual doctrine and how much was political/social worldview.
In the frazzling aftermath, I was extremely frustrated that so many commentators were absolutizing things that are not religious dogma at all (e.g. allegedly catastrophic anthropogenic climate change) and flicking away the things that actually are dogma (e.g. the exceptionless norm that innocent human beings are not to be killed.)
Finally I realized that the conflation of the two was deliberate: a mish-mash of the political and the religious was exactly Pope Francis' way of grabbing at the levers of political and economic power, which is strictly outside of his competence.
Bottom line: I can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. For at least a dozen serious and converging reasons, I have come very reluctantly to the conclusion that this is a fundamentally anti-Catholic and very dangerous a man.
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Good input, thanks.
This whole kerfluffle isn't even "personal"; it's hearsay from a third party, a "journalist" so-called.
But yeah, the Pope can teach things as a private doctor without putting Papal authority behind it. BXVI's books say in the forward explicitly that they are his own personal opinion, not formal teaching as Pope.
Why has he not denied it?
Is the Pope Catholic? The church has lasted before through terrible Popes. This one should move on to his own religion.
Every time this leftist quack of a pope puts his foot in his mouth his apologists jump through their ass to try and explain what he said. Francis might be the pope but he does not believe in the faith. He’s not the first heretic pope and he won’t be the last.
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