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Before There Was an Everywhere, I AM
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-19-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 02/20/2018 8:58:35 AM PST by Salvation

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To: ealgeone
"His presence is His presence."

Oh, no one doubts that.

But what in the world do you think Augustine meant when he said, "You were with me, but I was not with you"?

21 posted on 02/20/2018 2:41:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pray for the *%$#s. It's the only way to help them, or you, become a bit worthier as a human being.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>"His presence is His presence."<,

Oh, no one doubts that.

But that isn't what you were advancing previously in your post 16...at least it doesn't seem to be.

But what in the world do you think Augustine meant when he said, "You were with me, but I was not with you"?

Don't know and it really doesn't matter. Augustine's philosophy is not Scripture.

However, 1 John 4:13 and the other passages I posted are.

22 posted on 02/20/2018 3:18:05 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; Salvation

As members of the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ founded, we receive the physical Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist along with the graces that are necessary for our eternal life.

It is sad that some do not have Faith in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist that is necessary for their salvation.


23 posted on 02/21/2018 5:42:31 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
It is sad that some do not have Faith in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist that is necessary for their salvation.

A believers in Christ has Christ indwelling in them in addition to the Holy Spirit.

Christ is always with the believer as is the Holy Spirit. They do not depart the believer.

13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14 NASB

24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24 NASB

67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” 68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.” John 6:67-69 NASB

We come to Christ through belief in Him.

We are sealed by the Spirit.

No where does the NT ever record the believer as being unsealed.

24 posted on 02/21/2018 6:05:12 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Are believers truly believers when they reject the words of Jesus Christ?


25 posted on 02/21/2018 7:18:55 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Are believers truly believers when they reject the words of Jesus Christ?

Jesus tells us to believe in Him....that is the consistent message of the NT.

We come to Christ through faith. Peter recognized that and said so in two different situations.

The question is, do you believe His promise of John 5:24?

26 posted on 02/21/2018 8:03:04 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
Are believers truly believers when they reject the words of Jesus Christ?

Have you cut off your right hand or gouged out your eye?

Sold all of your possessions?

You see, ADSUM, you have to understand the context of the passage to get the correct meaning.

27 posted on 02/21/2018 8:35:20 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Yes. I do understand context. Truly, truly Christ said.

Do you truly understand context or just try to use words to fit your your opinions?


28 posted on 02/21/2018 8:56:33 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Yes. I do understand context. Truly, truly Christ said. Do you truly understand context or just try to use words to fit your your opinions?

Then I take it you've cut off your hand(s) and/or gouged your eye(s) out?

29 posted on 02/21/2018 9:00:34 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

One can accept or reject the teachings of Jesus.

I accept His teachings as He intended.


30 posted on 02/23/2018 12:28:10 AM PST by ADSUM
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