[Catholic Caucus] SAINT Pope Paul VI? (When Pigs Fly!)

Remnant Newspaper ^ | February 10, 2018 | Michael Matt

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New from The Remnant Underground…

Down in the catacombs, Michael Matt looks as the life and legacy of one of the worst popes in history—the man Pope Francis now intends to canonize in October. Does papal infallibility seriously come into this farce? Please! At this point, claiming the Holy Ghost has anything even to do with such an obvious political stunt—aimed at canonizing the revolution of Vatican II—borders on the blasphemous. Plus, Francis is reportedly set to stab Chinese Catholics in the back in favor of Communist puppet bishops. Everybody okay with that? Has the Vatican lost its mind completely?

[heterosupremacist]

I was a wee lad when Paul VI was in office, I don't remember the specifics of his pontificate was he truly one of the worst popes in history? †Dominus vobiscum†

[Biggirl]

Well there was a miracle reported of his intercession.

[SpirituTuo]

The man who wrote Humanae vitae is worse than Alexander V?

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The man who wrote Humanae vitae is worse than Alexander V?

Yes

Alexander V did not suppress the Mass of his time and invent his own masonic Mass to be instituted universally.

By the way:

Whether or not Alexander was a true pope is a question which canonists and historians of the Schism still discuss. The Church has not pronounced a definite opinion nor is it at all likely that she will. Catholic Encyclopedia

I also recommend that you read this book:

Paul VI beatified?

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“Supposed” miracle.

[Biggirl]

Baby was healed.

[Biggirl]

No.

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Baby was healed.

I cut my arm last week. It has since healed with no intercession from medical doctors.

Is that a miracle?

[SpirituTuo]

Question, how could John XXIII make this remark about Paul VI, when John XXIII was dead?

“Paul VI was always an enigma to all, as Pope John XXIII him-self observed.”

From the book you linked.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I remember that when Pope Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae in 1968, the great Brent Bozell Senior hung a banner from his balcony that proclaimed

"Habemus Papam!"

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How do most authors refer to deceased popes?

[piusv]

Canonizations are secondary objects of the Church’s infallibility. If Francis is a true pope, then the canonization is infallible and Paul VI is a “Saint”.

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Were you surprised or did you expect it?

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CASTI CONNUBII 1930 A.D.

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Canonizations are secondary objects of the Church’s infallibility.

That's the second time you've told me that. Care to back it up with documentation?

You've also said, "Canonizations are secondary objects of the Church’s infallibility. The secondary objects of the Church’s infallibility are truths on faith and morals, which are not formally revealed, but are closely connected with the teaching of Revelation."

If both canonizations and truths on faith and morals are secondary objects of the Church's infallibility, what are the primary objects?

[CMRosary]

Alexander V did not suppress the Mass of his time and invent his own masonic Mass to be instituted universally.

You give the man too much credit. The Novus Ordo is merely the Episcopal service with a few bones thrown in for hoodwinked Catholics.

[piusv]

Just so you know...those posts weren't necessarily "to you". You are the OP of those threads, so that's why you're pinged more than once.

From Van Noort, Dogmatic Theology:

The primary object of infallibility is each and every religious truth contained formally in the sources of revelation.

The secondary object of infallibility comprises all those matters which are so closely connected with the revealed deposit that revelation itself would be imperiled unless an absolutely certain decision could he made about them.

The Church is infallible so that it may be a trustworthy teacher of the Christian religion and of the Christian way of life. But it would not be such if it could err in the canonization of saints. Would not religion be sullied if a person in hell were, by a definitive decree, offered to everyone as an object of religious veneration? Would not the moral law be at least weakened to some extent, if a protégé of the devil could be irrevocably set up as a model of virtue for all to imitate and for all to invoke?

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You appear to be parroting a sedevacantist "bishop".

The object of the Church’s infallibility is two-fold: a) The primary object of the Church’s infallibility is the formally revealed truths of Christian Doctrine concerning faith and morals. b) The secondary object of the Church’s infallibility is truths of the Christian teaching on faith and morals, which are not formally revealed, but which are closely connected with the teaching of Revelation. Included in the secondary object of infallibility are the following: 1) theological conclusions; 2) dogmatic facts 3) general discipline of the Church; 4) approval of religious orders; 5) canonization of saints.
(Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI, Omaha, NE, Pastoral Letter, Pentecost, 1996,
http://www.cmri.org/96prog5.htm)

[piusv]

We are both taking it from a well-known respected pre-Vatican II CATHOLIC theologian, TYVM.