We were the fish for many centuries!!!
Posted on 01/27/2018 6:52:30 AM PST by tiredofallofit
Okay, so there is more than just one problem with the KJV Only movement. I know that. But having grown up in a KJV only church, there is one major problem that sticks out to me above the rest. It is not just a major problem; it is an insurmountable problem. And it drives me crazy.
If the King James Version, which is a 1611 English translation of the Bible, is truly the only infallible, inerrant, and inspired Word of God, then what about the billions of people who have lived and died and never understood a word of English? At this very moment, there are more than 6 billion people in the world who understand little or no English.
And lest we forget, it wasn’t until 1455 that the first Bible was printed (on the Gutenberg Press) and then much later into the 16th century before the Bible became affordable and widely available. These early Bibles were printed in Latin. This begs an important question. Did the Faithful over the centuries who either never had access to the Bible or had to read it in Latin go to hell because they never held the King James Version in their hands?
By claiming that the King James Version is God’s only chosen version, the KJV Only crowd is dismissing tens of centuries of Christendom and implying that the majority of the world populations today cannot know the truth of God’s word. Such a claim is arrogant and nonsensical. Most of these KJV types proclaim their adherence to “Sola Scriptura” yet nowhere in the King James Version does it tell us which version is the true one. Many of these same people also express their disdain for the”traditions of men” while at the same time swearing allegiance...
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Totally agree with your statements about science supporting the Bible.
I did a presentation at Duke University Divinity School on the “Neuroscience of Prayer” for the Chapel Congregation, and a six week lecture series for the Duke University OLLI program on “”The Embodiment of the Human Soul.”
In both programs I explained in detail and demonstrated the science supporting scriptures.
Prayer for example, actually changes the action potential firing rates in the pyradimal cell neurons in the cortex and thus the frequencies of consciousness measured by EEG’s.
The mystical communications described in the Bible and many other religion’s scriptures are merely gamma frequency attributes of consciousness.
The Bible actually teaches us how to achieve this.
I know several KJV-only Baptists. It’s like a cult.
Sorry, posting from cell phone and hit back button, posted twice.
What I explain and demonstrate in lecture presentations fully supports the Bible and does not discount it.
“Is repentance necessary for salvation?”
You automatically feel or express sincere regret or remorse (repentance) about your wrongdoing or sin when your realize that it created an obstacle to LOVE in your soul that blocked you from experiencing God’s Love.
Just as you can attach yourself to wealth or pride and block God’s Love, attachment to any sin blocks it too.
God will lift away the sin (salvation) when you reach a point in your life where you are ready to let go of the sin as you can no longer carry the burden.
This is why Jesus asked people if they wanted to be healed before he healed their sin. When you make the choice to change, then it opens the door for it to happen.
Increased suffering motivates us to let go and choose to change. It too is a blessing.
Salvation happens through Grace. Repentance is what you experience when you receive God’s Grace.
Blessings
Many of the new Bibles has lies in them, even the nkjv, So although the kj is not the only one you will not go wrong by reading it.
Even if there were a Bible with no mistakes some one would twist it around to make the mistakes.
The way the language is used and expressed changes also.
And “The Scriptures” from which Jesus and his apostles taught didn’t contain one word of the “new testament.”
I have went to many different churches and the only ones that i have noticed being strictly KJ was a few non denominations, but they did not claim it was the only one but that it proved to be accurate by comparing scripture.
Some of the newer versions does not, including the NKJ version..
went further and added that you can not be saved unless you accept their doctrine.............
I have noticed pretty much the same although many of them not in plain words, except the nom denominations.
I do not think you have examined the Concordant Literal New Testament, or you would not make such an uninformed statement as if it were a fact.
“Anything that can be said in one language can be said in another.” Dr. Charles Taber of the Translations Department of the American Bible Society.
“The translator of the Concordant Version of the Sacred Scriptures has followed that method of translation known as “a system of representation.” I believe it would be difficult to improve upon the results he has achieved within the limitations of his method. The labor and painstaking care involved must impress anyone who examines the work.”
J. MERLE RIFE, Greek Teacher
“Even a very cursory examination of “The Sacred Scriptures, Concordant Version,” convinces me that the work is one of the finest aids to New Testament study which has been made available to the average Bible student.”
O. G. MALMIN, Pastor
“The Concordant Version is the only one which practically acknowledges that “All scripture is inspired by God”–literally, “God-spirited” (2 Tim, 3:16), by using a method of translation based on the denial of human ability to sound its depths or scale its heights, and insisting on its superhuman perfection to the minutest detail–considering every element and listening to every letter.”
Kamelon is Greek, not Aramaic.
Here are the texts in letters like the original. Camel is KAMHA. Cable would be KAMIA. When only one out of thousands of copyists and translators, including the revised Latin (the Vulgate), changes the H to I, there is little ground for accepting it, unless one or the other makes no sense. Camel shows the impossibility more vividly than cable.
The camel getting its nose through the tent door, a remark that tells of that animal’s proclivity to force itself into narrow openings, makes a rich man’s entrance with his load of wealth on a camel’s back difficult if not impossible to enter into a wall’s narrow passageway.
It depends upon how much one reveres God’s inspired words. If the purity of what He has said is an issue to one who desires the truth, in order to know most assuredly what God has spoken, then, yes, it does matter. After being led astray by the versions of the Scriptures, having the Concordant Version is a great relief.
Try reading the passage in Greek, to see to which each refers.
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>> “Scripture says we need a guide.” <<
The Holy Spirit is our guide.
The guy that sought a guide was a new believer, who had acquired one particular scroll, and had never before read any scripture.
The scroll was from an era when only the Cohenim were literate, and the scrolls were read in the temple by the priests.
Since Yeshua arose, we have no priests, because we all are preists.
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>> “Repentance is an element of faith. If you don’t repent then you don’t really believe and have no faith.” <<
Repentance from what?
Repentance from your transgression of Torah!
That is what John’s firat epistle was written to explain.
John said plainly that sin is the transgression of Torah. If you “believe in” Yeshua, then you are walking as he walked, in full compliance with Torah.
“Saved by Grace” is one of the most insidious of the inherited lies. We will be saved at the Last Trump, by Torah. “Depart from me ye workers of Iniquity.”
The people Yeshua speaks of in Matthew 7:21-23 sound like everyday Christians to me!
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>> “Repentance is what you experience when you receive God’s Grace.” <<
No! Grace is what you receive on the Day of Trumpets if you confessed and repented from your sins day by day to the end!
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We were the fish for many centuries!!!
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Ouch!
You have cause and effect reversed. We repent BECAUSE we recognize the Grace of God has freely granted us salvation. And that repentance is a free gift from God. It is not our work.
Otherwise, Yeshua did NOT pay it all. Otherwise, he didn’t FINISH it.
The message of Yeshua is that nobody is capable of NOT transgressing Torah. We need the sinlessness of Yeshua accounted to us.
We need to accept the sacrifice of Yeshua so that when God the Father looks at us, he sees the sinless blood of Yeshua, and not our guilt.
No, I have it exactly as it is in the word.
Grace doesn’t do the saving, it does the accepting on the part of Yehova, to allow us to be saved by our faith on that day!
Read Matthew 7 and John’s first epistle until the obvious sinks in.
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>> “The message of Yeshua is that nobody is capable of NOT transgressing Torah” <<
That is one of the inherited lies Jeremiah warned us about.
Once Torah is written on our heart, we seek to do his will, and confess and repent when we fail`. What do you think 1John 1 is all about?
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Chapter and verse, please.
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