Pastor John Piper Gets It All Wrong About Women In Ministry

Christian Post ^ | 01/26/2018 | By Jennifer LeClaire

[Elsie]

That’s regarding your standing, not your state.

Now you have confused me!

[Elsie]

This is a position many of our FR Catholics seem to agree upon!

[imardmd1]

I’m glad the Catholics are with me and the Scriptures regarding remarriage adultery, also.

[Elsie]

They are also glad that you are with them on these topics.

They think there is hope for you yet.

[GoldenState_Rose]

I am not wading into the ministry argument, but the “fruitcake” comment.

The powerful acts of courage displayed by Female Martyrs in the early church were crucial to the spread of Christianity...Prison guards and gladiators were left absolutely stunned:

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3626887/posts

[PetroniusMaximus]

“The powerful acts of courage displayed by Female Martyrs in the early church were crucial to the spread of Christianity”

Which has absolutely no relation to the women fruitcakes I refereed to (Aimee Semple McPherson, Kathryn Kuhlman, Marilyn Hickey, Joyce Meyer) many of whom lived in relative luxury and were rumored to have questionable morals.

[GoldenState_Rose]

Piper is entitled to his options, but he boxes women in even BEYOND ministry. Quite frankly, I don't think he should be weighing into matters that should be strictly between women and their husbands, and between women and Jesus. (Like the decision to go back to work after having a child for example.)

He also doesn't like Trump supporters so I don't care for his self-righteous politics either. I was raised in an environment where whites were a minority and worship with a very diverse urban congregation. I don't need him lecturing me on how voting for Trump makes me racist. Or whether Trump is qualified or not. What if the Holy Spirit told me to vote for him huh?

And: I know plenty of NON-white people who voted for Trump. Especially Christians. (But not limited to.) There are plenty of reasons why Trump is appreciated and popular not just in America, but worldwide!

Piper: How to live under an unqualified president:

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-to-live-under-an-unqualified-president

Piper: White Evangelical Support for Trump is harming minority outreach:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/john-piper-says-white-evangelical-support-for-trump-is-harming-minority-outreach-208565/

[PetroniusMaximus]

Not defending Piper. Couldn’t care less about him.

[imardmd1]

Oh, I forgot anti-abortionism, of being against the choice method for escaping the unwanted consequences of sexual congress.

But The RCs had better not get their hopes up.

[thecodont]

I cannot think of a single denomination that decided to permit female clergy and that did not within ten years go completely off the rails both in terms of theology and basic Christian morality. Not one.

I'm completely with you on this.

[Obadiah]

Thanks for your input. I appreciate that.

[imardmd1]

Standing:

Th saving of a reconciled human sinner by The Mighty God entails many eternal advantages. One of them is that ones acceptance of His offer of being ones Heavenly Father, and adoption into His family of children in which He does not prefer one child above another, save His Only Begotten-in-the-flesh Son, Who is the Firstborn-from-the-dead-ones among many brethren (Gal 3:26; Eph. 1:3-6; Acts 10:34,35; 2 Cor. 3:10, 18). God looks upon each of His saved, regenerated children, and sees but one image, that of His Dear Beloved Son.

Another immutable benefit is that one is made a citizen of His Son's Holy Kingdom, forever, with all the privileges and obligations thereof (Heb. 11:13,16). In this there are no "second-class" citizens, as you pointed out (Rom. 2:11, see context; Eph. 6:9; Acts 10:36; .

In both of these classes, The God The Father shows no greater love nor preference of one above another, hence all have equal value, and are in good standing with God as regarding eternal life and His love (Gal 3:28).

State:

Nevertheless, Ones salvation to eternal life entails responsibilities therewith; on the one hand, the filial behavior toward The Father, The Son, His Counselor The Holy Spirit, and to other children of God, both near and far; and on the other hand, toward the duties as a citizen of God's Holy Estate. These areas of accountability become effective as of the moment of new birth, and ones growth in them is progressive, as well as being always under review by the Godhead.

Regarding sonship (or daughtership if it applies), that involves meekness (obedience) and love (a sovereign preference of The One above self and others) toward The Father and His Son. And it is a learning process (Mat. 28:20a; Ex. 20:2,6; Matt 22:37,38; 2 Thess. 3:5; Eph. 3:9; Rom. 15:30; 1 Jn. 5:3; 1 Pet. 2:2-3).

In the family of God, an ever-increasing special love of fellow disciples is not only to be effected, but showing esteem, a new ordinance imparted on Jesus last moments with His students immediately prior to His Passion for them shown on the Cross (Jn. 13:34-35). Growing in this is an integral part of the fellowship at home and as well to far distant lands. An unfeigned love of ones Christian brethren is a unique remarkable characteristic of spiritual maturity (1 Jn. 3:16-17; 1 Pet. 1:22; 1 Cor. 16:1-3; 2 Cor. 9:1-3).

As to the care of such part of God's Estate and the furthering of the Gospel, ones gender, gifts, and growth will be taken into account at the Bema Seat of Christ, where ones works shall be summed up, and rewards (or the lack of them) will be apportioned in recognition of the responsibilities given and accountabiity measured (Rom. 4:10; 2 Cor 5:10). Within these spiritual civic duties as a citizen of the Heavenly sphere, it is clear that there should be a continuing growth of each believer in carrying out those responsibilities. The path of spiritual maturity is called "sanctification," and although the model of perfection in performance is that of Jesus Messiah, none of us the created persons have yet achieved that perfection.

Therefore, ones standing is the degree to which one has attained an approach toward being like the Christ that we stand being credited as.

That is the difference between state and standing, as best as I can explain it. God does the judging, we do not. But in the gender aspects, God has made a division ofthasks, and the pastoring of a local church by a woman is not one of them. God has chosen each to be of the gender He has predetermined, and the response of each one of us to his commands regarding gender-specific qualities, responsibilities, and duties will dictate His acknowledgement of compliance.

In the family setting a girl should be learning by her mother's example of how to be obedient to Christ as her mother is to Christ by her attitude toward her husband. And she should be learning from her father in what to expect in a man's behavior toward her and toward the Christ of The Faith. In his family role, it is the man's solemn duty to teach both his wife and their children such elements of The Faith they should know and see an example of, to be saved. The charges given to the mother and father are awesome, and impossible to be properly executed by unsaved or poorly catechized progenitors.

[Elsie]

Thanks for posting the definition of the words as they have been used.

Another immutable benefit is that one is made a citizen of His Son's Holy Kingdom, forever,

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Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.