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One the replies at the source bothered me. They wrote that to understand the New Testament you needed to know the Old Testament.

Does that apply to salvation? I can learn about God’s grace in the NT as a gentile and don’t really need to know all of the Torah to live righteously.

Although God’s response to nationally legalized child sacrifice is in the Old Testament but not the new.


3 posted on 01/11/2018 1:25:20 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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1) The New Testament is but a living recap of what is written in the Old Testament. It contains nothing new at all, it simply gives a living testimony of the New Covenant that has been sealed with Christ's blood, however, its fulfillment has yet to be finalized. So yes, to understand what is spoken in the New Testament one must first have a solid foundation in understanding the Old Testament and as is written, understanding only comes by doing what our Father desires His children to do. “We ought to obey God rather than men” Acts 5:29 / Ps 118:8

Christians are eager to quote from the Old Testament, but does their actions prove they believe ALL that is written that they have quoted by actually doing what is written? For it is written, “For the LORD gives wisdom, out of His mouth knowledge and understanding” Prov. 2:6

Or, “As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD” Joshua 24:15

Those words were spoken by those who believed and then did what they said they believed. Jesus said His Scriptures were Moses, the Prophets & the Psalms, so if that was His “Scriptural Bible” so to speak, then should not it also be ours as believers of Christ for even the demons believe who He is, yet they do not do what is written.

The “New Testament” as we have come to know it is but a canon of written works ordained by men of the flesh. Jesus uttered not one knew word that the “Word of the LORD” had not already spoken through Moses, the Prophets & the Psalms. He said so Himself.

2) Salvation never came by keeping God's commands, the commands were set forth for our well-being, physically & spiritually. They were also given for blessing, and for reward. Grace began in the garden of Eden, from the first moment man sinned, God has been faithfully pouring out His grace to all mankind who believes Him and repents (turns away) from their sin so to do it no more. Notice I said believes Him as believing in and actually believing are not the same. One produces action and the other is simply a confession without action.

3) God never legalized child sacrifice, He abhors it and He repeated spoke against it.

These are the facts of the matter, nothing but the facts according to the Word of God.

5 posted on 01/11/2018 2:24:14 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledgee chosen to participate inthat is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: huldah1776

One the replies at the source bothered me. They wrote that to understand the New Testament you needed to know the Old Testament.

Does that apply to salvation? I can learn about God’s grace in the NT as a gentile and don’t really need to know all of the Torah to live righteously.

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The apostles preached in Acts that Jesus fulfills the expectation of the Hebrew Scripture. Paul used Genesis 15 and Habakkuk 2 to establish the pillar statements of the gospel. The writer of Hebrews spent the entire book referring to the Torah.

Sure, you can be reconciled to God via the NT. But the OT explains why it’s needed, reveals a kind/dangerous/holy God, and brings to life the marvel of imputed righteousness. The Hebrew Scripture is the answer to the silliness of the contemporary church.


17 posted on 01/11/2018 6:43:05 PM PST by lurk
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I don’t think it applies to salvation at all.

Knowing the OT helps the NT be richer and fuller, but you don’t NEED to know it to understand the NT.


27 posted on 01/12/2018 3:49:38 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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"One the replies at the source bothered me. They wrote that to understand the New Testament you needed to know the Old Testament.Does that apply to salvation?"

NO but it certainly applies to sanctification.

29 posted on 01/12/2018 5:44:53 AM PST by circlecity
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