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To: ealgeone
Never ceases to amaze how Catholics run from this when it’s published. US doesn’t leave the wiggle room Roman Catholics claim. It is an absolute claim to full authority by the pope.

Never ceases to amaze me when non-Catholics clumsily attempt to explain Catholic doctrine to Catholics.

Have you ever even attempted to read the whole document?

Do you have even the vaguest idea what the historical context was?

For that matter, (and this is a legitimate question, not an attack, btw) is your reading comprehension up to understanding the meaning of "is subject to"?

64 posted on 01/03/2018 1:38:16 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
>>Never ceases to amaze how Catholics run from this when it’s published. US doesn’t leave the wiggle room Roman Catholics claim. It is an absolute claim to full authority by the pope.

Never ceases to amaze me when non-Catholics clumsily attempt to explain Catholic doctrine to Catholics.

To allow your position would nullify the ability of Roman Catholics to evaluate anything else not Roman Catholic.

Roman Catholicism, like Mormonism, Islam, or any other belief system can be studied and understood without having to be Roman Catholic.

And you question my reading comprehension.

Have you ever even attempted to read the whole document?

Yes.

Do you have even the vaguest idea what the historical context was?

Yes.

However, if you're attempting to argue the Bull was only applicable to one particular situation you're going to have to do some slicing and dicing of the Bull. Either it all applies or none of it applies.

Which part applies universally and which part applies to the particular situation?

For that matter, (and this is a legitimate question, not an attack, btw) is your reading comprehension up to understanding the meaning of "is subject to"?

Boniface made it clear this was a dogma that had to be believed...he was claiming absolute authority over the church and the secular..."we declare", "we proclaim", "we define", "absolutely necessary".

As stated before...Roman Catholics don't like this part of being subject to the pope in all matters as noted in Unam Sanctam to be brought up. They like the part about "no salvation outside of the Church".

The Roman Catholic can't have it both ways.

In your post 35 you're explaining what your understanding of Canon Law is.

However, US doesn't give you that option. It's how the pope defines it within the context of Canon Law.

You don't like what Francis is doing. You're attempting to be your own pope.

Roman Catholics have told all of us non-Catholics for years on these threads you cannot do that.

Is it not a mortal sin, for Roman Catholics, to disobey the pope?

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2015/08/ask-father-is-it-a-mortal-sin-to-criticize-the-pope/

73 posted on 01/03/2018 7:01:41 AM PST by ealgeone
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