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To: metmom
The problem is that when we do not submit to the Church that Jesus Christ founded, the Catholic Church, then each person becomes “a monopoly on the truth” in his own subjectivism and relativism. In heaven there is room for only one God, not two!
36 posted on 12/30/2017 8:08:54 AM PST by JosephJames (The Truth Shall Set You Free (Jn 8:32)!)
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To: JosephJames
The problem is that when we do not submit to the Church that Jesus Christ founded, the Catholic Church

False. "On this rock I will build my Church" is the TRUTH that Peter spoke when he declared Jesus as the Christ. That is a far cry from establishment of the catholic church.

You are basing the establishment of the catholic church on one sentence within the Bible. That's pretty thin.

38 posted on 12/30/2017 8:13:17 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: JosephJames

And just where has the Catholic church’s form of church governance gotten them?

The whole denomination is led astray by false teaching instead of only a few people.

And people are not left to their own devices.

God’s word is unchanging Truth and not all that hard to understand, and the Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to guide believers into truth.

It’s the Holy Spirit which enlightens one.

And there’s not anywhere in Scripture that demands that all doctrine be the same for all churches and everyone must adhere to it. There are many other non-Catholic FReepers here who are my brothers and sisters in Christ and I don’t have a clue which church they belong to and I disagree with them on some lesser points of theology or doctrine.

Paul refers to, in Romans 14, things that are what he calls *disputable matters*. Lockstep fidelity to centralized teaching and doctrine is not necessary or possible.

God doesn’t care if our doctrine is perfect. None of us can have it anyways and when I see the differences between theology and doctrine right here on the RF between practicing Catholics who are condemning each other because one’s pre-Vatcian 2 and one is a sedevacantist, the Catholic church has nothing up on any other church.

The EO have significant differences in theology and doctrine and yet are still considered in communion as Catholics.

And even if someone has differences, sometimes it’s just a matter of Christian maturity.

One is not a mature believer instantly.

So your whole argument fails on may levels.

There’s no subjectivism and relativism when what you believe is founded on the unchanging word of God.


45 posted on 12/30/2017 8:46:15 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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