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Catholics shocked that Vatican Christmas Tree has no Christian Symbols
https://www.lifesitenews.com ^ | December 20, 2017 | Lisa Bourne

Posted on 12/23/2017 2:45:52 PM PST by NKP_Vet

ROME, Italy, December 22, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – The decorations on the Vatican Christmas tree in St. Peter's Square this year are devoid of Christian religious symbols, a veteran Vaticanist reports.

"Look," a friend of Dr. Robert Moynihan pointed out to him. "There are peace signs, and the oriental yin-yang signs, but no angels, no depictions of the Magi, no images of Mary, nothing but universal symbols.”

"We have not seen a single religious symbol, not a single Christian symbol, on the tree."

Close up of the 2017 Vatican Christmas tree showing a yin-yang symbol.Dr. Robert Moynihan Continued Moynihan: “And I too saw that there seemed not to be a single Christian symbol on the tree, unless the star on the top of the tree could be considered a sign of the star that led the Magi to the Christ-child.”

The report came in Moynihan’s December 20 eLetter, which recounted his running into two friends recently while walking through St. Peter's Square. Moynihan is the founder and editor-in-chief of Inside the Vatican magazine.

Moynihan said his friends were alarmed about the tree decorations.

“Many nuns in Rome say they are shocked and are very worried about the message these decorations are sending to the youngest,” Moynihan’s friend said. “I wish I knew the Pope's secretaries to tell them to tell the Pope what is on the Square, if really the Holy Father wants to go and to bless such things. The worst thing for all these sponsors would be for the Pope not to come to the Square on December 31.”

The tree is a gift to the Vatican from Poland. It was Pope St. John Paul II who established the tradition of Christmas trees in St. Peter’s Square decades ago.

Media reports by and large on the ornaments followed the Vatican report’s lead, mentioning that the ornaments were created by children receiving treatment at several Italian hospitals and children from the Italian Archdiocese of Spoleto-Norcia, which was rocked by earthquakes in 2016.

News reports discussed the ornaments being made of synthetic materials to stand up to winter weather, but not the ornaments’ designs.

Moynihan’s friends told him that in past years, the Christmas tree had been decorated with brilliant white and yellow balls, denoting the Vatican colors.

The two said as well they had written a letter to the Government of Vatican City, protesting the decorations on the Christmas tree.

Controversy continues to swirl around the Vatican Nativity for its particular approach to using nudity. Facebook flagged the image of this year’s Nativity display for being “sexually suggestive or provocative.”

The tree and the Nativity scene are set to remain in St Peter’s Square until the evening of Sunday, January 7, 2018, when the Church celebrates the feast of the Lord’s Baptism.


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To: C210N

Are Christmas trees, yule logs (at el) borne from pagan origins? I would ask simply why any Christian site would be adorned with these trappings...


21 posted on 12/23/2017 3:25:40 PM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every cultre has its pancakes, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Most churches have Chrismons, symbols of the Christian faith fashioned by the women’s groups, on their Christmas trees. It’s a lovely way to teach the articles of faith to the children.


22 posted on 12/23/2017 3:26:14 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: NKP_Vet

Satan’s emissary


23 posted on 12/23/2017 3:27:11 PM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Bodleian_Girl
That quote hits kind of close to home. Are we supposed to observe any warnings or laws/rules of the Old Testament? I know we don't have to conform to circumcision or the dietary prohibition of animals with cloven-hoofs or seafood with shells (thanks to St. Peter!).

How about the Ten Commandments?

24 posted on 12/23/2017 3:29:01 PM PST by Aliska
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To: NKP_Vet

The ornaments on our own tree include two Nativity scenes, several Angels, stars, a cross and a beautiful glass ornament of John Paul Il the Great.


25 posted on 12/23/2017 3:35:23 PM PST by Atticus
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Oh puleeeesseee! Do you wear clothes woven from two separate types of thread???

Do you follow Mosaic dietary laws??


26 posted on 12/23/2017 3:38:24 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Architect of Avalon

YESSSSSS!!!!!


27 posted on 12/23/2017 3:39:00 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: NKP_Vet

No Claude Rains moment here.


28 posted on 12/23/2017 3:42:44 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyonse's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, the current Pope does not appear to be a Christian, so ....


29 posted on 12/23/2017 3:44:06 PM PST by katana
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To: irish guard
Thanks for the pic. It's amazing they can't do a HD picture of that tree and nativity scene. I can't see what is there from that picture.

They have a yin-yang. I want to find the Star and crescent.

30 posted on 12/23/2017 3:44:30 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Architect of Avalon; ZULU

#MakeThePopeCatholicAgain


31 posted on 12/23/2017 3:44:48 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: irish guard

That is not a Christmas scene. It’s disgusting.


32 posted on 12/23/2017 3:52:41 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
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To: Aliska; ZULU

All I’m saying is that a Christmas tree was always a pagan thing.

You do what you want with that.


33 posted on 12/23/2017 3:52:56 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville train)
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To: irish guard
31 seconds looks like the crescent moon and star
34 posted on 12/23/2017 3:55:51 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Try looking behind the naked guy writhing on the ground in front of the tree.


35 posted on 12/23/2017 3:56:49 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Does the tree topper look like Hilary?


36 posted on 12/23/2017 4:21:02 PM PST by oldasrocks (rump)
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To: BykrBayb

You talking about the dead guy? Why would they add that to this? It’s disgusting


37 posted on 12/23/2017 4:25:03 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Bodleian_Girl
I can't put them up any more but still like them. It's true, but the Church or various denominations adopted other pagan symbols, dates, and words and made them Christian. The Orthodox are really zealous (can't think of a respectful, proper word) about their beautiful Easter eggs as are most Christians in the West use them in one way or another even if it's just candy for their kids.

It's not a good idea to talk about it here as there have been bitter disputes in the past. I mean no disrespect to what I am reasonably certain are good and true in any church I will defend. Things that make me uneasy make me uneasy now but didn't used to, didn't question, think about, or research these things.

Years ago I had conversations with a carpenter who was remodeling my kitchen and some other things. He claimed to be nondenominational which are bible only and with their own self-appointed authority. He said I shouldn't have a Christmas tree. I said in a moderate tone that I liked them and was going to have them.

All the work he did didn't last, cabinets fell off the wall, molding came unglued, and the storm windows, I should have done better homework because they work better than none but are horrid to raise and lower and impossible to wash without taking off completely for about 26 windows. So they stay mostly dirty.

I just mention that as meaning probably nothing but could be a sign. The bible says something about mens' works lasting like some ancient works do.

I don't know why I torment myself with all this now. I noticed it doesn't seem to bother in the least most Christians. I use the bible extensively but it is abundantly clear that Jesus' clear intention was to found a church, set up a hierarchical system of ministerial roles and expected us to come together regularly in some manner to worship in spirit and truth.

38 posted on 12/23/2017 5:11:33 PM PST by Aliska
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To: ZULU
He should be defrocked, tried for heresy and burned at the stake.

No, only the Catholic Church burns people at the stake, for getting the word of God into the hands of all people.
39 posted on 12/23/2017 5:42:55 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Aliska

Thank you for sharing that. It was really nice.


40 posted on 12/23/2017 6:07:51 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville train)
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