Catholics shocked that Vatican Christmas Tree has no Christian Symbols

Are Christmas trees, yule logs (at el) borne from pagan origins? I would ask simply why any Christian site would be adorned with these trappings...

21 posted on 12/23/2017 3:25:40 PM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every cultre has its pancakes, just as every culture has its noodle.)

Most churches have Chrismons, symbols of the Christian faith fashioned by the women’s groups, on their Christmas trees. It’s a lovely way to teach the articles of faith to the children.

22 posted on 12/23/2017 3:26:14 PM PST by txrefugee

23 posted on 12/23/2017 3:27:11 PM PST by Chauncey Gardiner

To: Bodleian_Girl

That quote hits kind of close to home. Are we supposed to observe any warnings or laws/rules of the Old Testament? I know we don't have to conform to circumcision or the dietary prohibition of animals with cloven-hoofs or seafood with shells (thanks to St. Peter!).

How about the Ten Commandments?

24 posted on 12/23/2017 3:29:01 PM PST by Aliska

The ornaments on our own tree include two Nativity scenes, several Angels, stars, a cross and a beautiful glass ornament of John Paul Il the Great.

25 posted on 12/23/2017 3:35:23 PM PST by Atticus

To: Bodleian_Girl

Oh puleeeesseee! Do you wear clothes woven from two separate types of thread???

Do you follow Mosaic dietary laws??

26 posted on 12/23/2017 3:38:24 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)

To: Architect of Avalon

27 posted on 12/23/2017 3:39:00 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)

No Claude Rains moment here.

28 posted on 12/23/2017 3:42:44 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyonse's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)

Well, the current Pope does not appear to be a Christian, so ....

29 posted on 12/23/2017 3:44:06 PM PST by katana

Thanks for the pic. It's amazing they can't do a HD picture of that tree and nativity scene. I can't see what is there from that picture.

They have a yin-yang. I want to find the Star and crescent.

30 posted on 12/23/2017 3:44:30 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')

To: Architect of Avalon; ZULU

#MakeThePopeCatholicAgain

31 posted on 12/23/2017 3:44:48 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)

That is not a Christmas scene. It’s disgusting.

32 posted on 12/23/2017 3:52:41 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Ãž)

To: Aliska; ZULU

All I’m saying is that a Christmas tree was always a pagan thing.

You do what you want with that.

33 posted on 12/23/2017 3:52:56 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville train)

34 posted on 12/23/2017 3:55:51 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')

To: Steve Van Doorn

Try looking behind the naked guy writhing on the ground in front of the tree.

35 posted on 12/23/2017 3:56:49 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Ãž)

Does the tree topper look like Hilary?

36 posted on 12/23/2017 4:21:02 PM PST by oldasrocks (rump)

You talking about the dead guy? Why would they add that to this? It’s disgusting

37 posted on 12/23/2017 4:25:03 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')

To: Bodleian_Girl

I can't put them up any more but still like them. It's true, but the Church or various denominations adopted other pagan symbols, dates, and words and made them Christian. The Orthodox are really zealous (can't think of a respectful, proper word) about their beautiful Easter eggs as are most Christians in the West use them in one way or another even if it's just candy for their kids.

It's not a good idea to talk about it here as there have been bitter disputes in the past. I mean no disrespect to what I am reasonably certain are good and true in any church I will defend. Things that make me uneasy make me uneasy now but didn't used to, didn't question, think about, or research these things.

Years ago I had conversations with a carpenter who was remodeling my kitchen and some other things. He claimed to be nondenominational which are bible only and with their own self-appointed authority. He said I shouldn't have a Christmas tree. I said in a moderate tone that I liked them and was going to have them.

All the work he did didn't last, cabinets fell off the wall, molding came unglued, and the storm windows, I should have done better homework because they work better than none but are horrid to raise and lower and impossible to wash without taking off completely for about 26 windows. So they stay mostly dirty.

I just mention that as meaning probably nothing but could be a sign. The bible says something about mens' works lasting like some ancient works do.

I don't know why I torment myself with all this now. I noticed it doesn't seem to bother in the least most Christians. I use the bible extensively but it is abundantly clear that Jesus' clear intention was to found a church, set up a hierarchical system of ministerial roles and expected us to come together regularly in some manner to worship in spirit and truth.

38 posted on 12/23/2017 5:11:33 PM PST by Aliska

He should be defrocked, tried for heresy and burned at the stake.

No, only the Catholic Church burns people at the stake, for getting the word of God into the hands of all people.

39 posted on 12/23/2017 5:42:55 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)

Thank you for sharing that. It was really nice.

40 posted on 12/23/2017 6:07:51 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville train)

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