You forget all of the other stuff Roman Catholics have to believe to have salvation. Anytime you add to faith in Christ for salvation....it's not Christianity.
Are you really saying that being a Catholic Christian is no better than being an aztec?
They have a better moral code than what they used to have. For example, Mormons are very nice people. They make great neighbors due to their high moral code. However, that isn't what saves you. The Aztecs traded worship of one false system for another.
Are you saying that Mexico is no closer to God now than it was when it didn’t know of Jesus and was a pagan nation?
Mexico is basically a narco-run state now. It doubtful they are closer to God now than before. Again, they've traded one false system for another.
You’ve already conceded that I’m going to heaven even though I pray to Mary and other saints in heaven. Why doesn’t this apply to all Catholics?
No...I think I've said in past I don't know where you are from a salvation perspective. You're all over the place.
Christianity doesn't teach what Roman Catholicism teaches.
If you saw my post comparing the 15 promises by the apparition claiming to be Mary with the Word you might begin to see why I wrote what I did regarding this topic.
The Mary we see in the NT would not make the contradictory statements made by the apparitions.
Would Mary have said to build a shrine in my honor as the apparition claiming to be Mary did?
No.
That Roman Catholicism continues to advance belief in that, among other false beliefs, is a very strong proof that Roman Catholicism is not Christianity.
Do you know the reasoning that led Chalcedon to affirm the title “Theotokos” (Deipara, God-birther) for Mary?
If Jesus is God and Mary is the Mother of Jesus, How is she not the Mother of God?
It's a question about the meaning of saying Jesus is one divine person combining two natures, human and divine.
If someone says, She is the mother of Jesus but not the mother of God, that seems to imply that Jesus is not God.
If someone says, She is the mother of his human nature but not his divine nature, that seems to say that human mothers are not mothers of persons but of natures.
Mothers are not absolute sources. In natural births, part of the genetic material is exogenous to the mother. To the extent that the person is shaped or influenced by his genetics, part of the child is not entirely attributable to his mother.
So, to say that part of who or what Jesus is does not find its origin in Mary is not different from what we would say of any mother and child. “Theotokos” does claim anything like Mary is the entire source and origin of Jesus any more than my mother is the entire source of me.
Indeed, my impression is that in the biology/embryology of the time a popular idea was that the father supplied the, so to speak, “quiddity,” the what-it-is-ness of the child while the mother supplied the “matter,” the what-it-is-made-of.
Arguments against the title “Theotokos” or “Mother of God” have to be clear about what motherhood is. Otherwise they may end up in straw man territory, arguing against what is not asserted.
Nope, we’ve decided.
I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior long before I had any devotion to Mary. I only knew her as Jesus’ mother.
Therefore I am saved. According to what you tell me is Truth, I cannot possibly lose that salvation, no matter what the Catholic Church says.
So should I decide now that I want to honor Mary and it turns out that I am accidentally worshipping her, it doesn’t matter because I am saved.
Every Catholic accepts Jesus as their lord and savior and Mary as His honored mother. Therefore, according to what you say is Truth, all Catholics are saved no matter what happens after that.
And yes, for the umpteenth time, I can speak for all Catholics on this point because anyone who claims to be Catholic but does not believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior is not a Catholic.
Love,
O2
In other words, unless your faith is the stripped-down, completely sleek, "Jesus and me and nothing else" version, you're damned?
How do you know you make the cut? Seriously? How do you know, how can you be ABSOLUTELY certain, that you haven't added *anything* at all -- not faith in yourself, not faith in your Bible study, not faith in your pastor, not faith in your spouse, not faith in your prayer life -- to faith in Christ?
You hold us up to a standard you can't even meet.