Posted on 11/28/2017 5:49:26 PM PST by Coleus
A Catholic Bloodbath, I, for one, am not celebrating the 500th anniversary of the Reformation? St. Thomas More, St. John Fisher, pray for Us, Pray for Religious Liberty and tolerance in the USA.
And don't think the term "Separation of Church and State" had everything to do with Thomas Jefferson and nothing with Judge Hugo Black...Hugo Black, was a protestant, anti-Catholic bigot, KKK member, who stopped at nothing to destroy the Catholic Church and all it's hospitals and schools.
There is a fundamental disconnect in the very premise: the emergence of the CoE had NOTHING to do with the Reformation. Even the article points out the lack of difference in theology. It was purely a political matter: the power of King vs Pope.
If you want to consider the Reformation in England, Scotland and Wales you had better look instead at folks like the Presbyterians.
Exactly. Henry Tudor served one thing and one thing only, himself..
The monks were imprisoned and chained to pillars - unable to lie down or relieve themselves without soiling themselves. One of Thomas More's daughter's (actually one of his wards), snuck into the jail and fed them and cleaned them. Henry wanted to know why they had not died yet and she was not allowed into the jail. They all starved to death.
When this woman was one her death bed, all of these monks appeared to her, surrounding her bed and they escorted her to heaven.
Thank you for this post!
It might have helped for the Catholic Church to refrain from trying to overthrow and kill Queen Elizabeth...
https://faculty.history.wisc.edu/sommerville/361/361-14.htm
Judging by his girth later in life he had several helpings of serving himself. *bada*boom*kisk*
(Confession: the joker is not thin; however, like gold, comedy is often where you find it)
This was...the most intense period of persecution in English history, in which overall about the same number of Catholics and Protestants died. It produced a celebrated band of martyrs: More and Fisher [Catholics]...,Ridley, Latimer and Cranmer [C of E]...Were they "men for all seasons"? Not entirely for ours. None of them defended the values we cherish - freedom of speech, pluralism and liberty of conscience. They died not for tolerance, but for truth. All had been to some extent persecutors before being persecuted.
Church of England - its founding doctrine was convenience and expediency.
It hasn’t changed to this day, as it now hurriedly adapts to the desires of its new king, Mohammed.
“Burning people for heresy was an option, but it would raise a few eyebrows.”
He was likely afraid people would think he was Catholic.
“There is a fundamental disconnect in the very premise: the emergence of the CoE had NOTHING to do with the Reformation. Even the article points out the lack of difference in theology. It was purely a political matter: the power of King vs Pope.”
No. Leadership of the Church is a purely religious issue in itself. To say it was a purely political issue is to ignore the obvious: the Church WAS NOT THE STATE and the STATE WAS NOT THE CHURCH - until the Reformation which Henry VIII started. Also, to say there were no differences in theology misses a key issue: leadership of the Church is a theological issue. Christ sent Apostles, not Kings or Parliaments. Also, in terms of practice there was a huge break with the Catholic past under Henry VIII. How else would you explain the destruction of over 2,000 churches, chapels, monasteries, convents, colleges, orphanages, tombs and the killing of monks, priests and bishops who disagreed with it?
“If you want to consider the Reformation in England, Scotland and Wales you had better look instead at folks like the Presbyterians.”
So you would ignore the iconoclasm, new Prayer Book, and “Reformed” theology of Edward VI? Really?
"XVII. Of Predestination and Election:Clearly, this doctrine is Calvinist, and thus reformed. Now as to how many actually believed the 39 Articles, it is hard to say. What is safe to say is that today, the Church of England ignores its own foundational documents and confession of doctrine. I suppose one could call them "cafeteria Anglicans".Predestination to Life is the everlasting purpose of God, whereby (before the foundations of the world were laid) he hath constantly decreed by his counsel secret to us, to deliver from curse and damnation those whom he hath chosen in Christ out of mankind. and to bring them by Christ to everlasting salvation, as vessels made to honour …
As the godly consideration of Predestination, and our Election in Christ, is full of sweet, pleasant, and unspeakable comfort to godly persons, and such as feel in themselves the working of the Spirit of Christ, …
I am smocked and bewildered by the constant stream of articles by Catholics bemoaning the Reformation and today’s Protestants on this forum, at a time where all Christians, no matter their tradition nor even the strength of their faith, should be locked arm in arm against the forces who wish to destroy their shared heritage. I mean complaining about oppression during the reign of the Tudors? There was a reason the Catholic queen became known as “Bloody Mary!”
It is on the blood of the Catholic martyrs that the Church of England is sailing right back to Rome. They did not die in vain. Imagine being drawn and quartered for having the audacity to attend or celebrate mass?
Our Lady of Walsingham, pray for us!
Government - the biggest killer of mankind by far
History is written by the victors.
How is what Henry did to English Catholics any different than what Xi is doing to Chinese Christians?
Up to 30000 French Protestants were killed in the St Bartholomews Day massacres in 1572. These were harsh times on all sides
There was persecution on all sides throughout the reformation period
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