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CONFIRMED: The “Ecumenical Mass” has arrived (parody)
aka Catholic ^ | November 6, 2017 | Louie Verrecchio

Posted on 11/06/2017 1:46:21 PM PST by ebb tide

CONFIRMED: The “Ecumenical Mass” has arrived

Ecumenical MassIt has long been rumored that a secret Vatican commission has been assigned the task of creating a so-called “Ecumenical Mass;” a rite recently described by Italian journalist Marco Tossati as “a liturgy designed to unite Catholics and Protestants around the Holy Table.”

Well, akaCatholic is now able to report that a high-ranking curial official (a cardinal who I hope to be able to identify by name soon) has unequivocally confirmed, in writing, not only that the committee was actually created, but that its work has been completed, and what’s more, the “Mass” it produced is as bad, or worse, than imagined.

As will become clear, there can be no doubt that Francis is very pleased with the results.

Following are some excerpts taken from the Cardinal’s somewhat lengthy missive (written in Italian and translated into English) wherein His Eminence severely criticized the newly created Mass.

After carefully reviewing the text produced by the committee, His Eminence stated that the new rite has “every possibility of satisfying the most modernistic of Protestants.”

He went on to reveal that it is being presented in the “Instruction” that accompanies it, as:

“A sacred meeting or assembly of the People of God … to celebrate the memorial of the Lord. Thus the promise of Christ, ‘where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them,” is eminently true of the local community.’” [NOTE: Here, His Eminence is providing a direct quote taken from the “Instruction” for the Mass]

His Eminence went on to observe:

This promise [“Where two or three are gathered…”], which refers only to the spiritual presence of Christ with His grace, is thus put on the same qualitative plane, save for the greater intensity, as the substantial and physical reality of the Sacramental Eucharistic Presence. [Emphasis in original]

Just as one may have expected, a considerable effort was made to downplay those things in the Mass that Protestants find objectionable.

For instance, the Cardinal writes:

As is only too evident, the emphasis is obsessively placed upon the supper and the memorial instead of upon the unbloody renewal of the Sacrifice of Calvary.

Getting to the heart of the matter, His Eminence observed that the rite not only obscures, but even amounts to a denial of certain dogmatic truths. He writes:

It does not, in a word, imply any of the essential dogmatic values of the Mass which together provide its true definition. Here the deliberate omission of these dogmatic values amounts to their having been superseded and therefore, at least in practice, to their denial. [Emphasis in original]

The Cardinal even went so far as to say that “faith in the dogma of the Real Presence is implicitly repudiated.”

In other words, it’s not Catholic!

Again, we cannot be surprised to find that this is the case. The only question was how the committee would go about denying the “intrinsic value of the Eucharistic Sacrifice.” Now we know.

His Eminence tells us that the new rite:

“…changes the nature of the offering, turning it into a sort or exchange of gifts between man and God: man brings the bread, and God turns it into the ‘bread of life’; man brings the wine, and God turns it into a ‘spiritual drink.’ … By suppressing the continual reference to God in the Eucharistic prayers, there is no longer any clear distinction between divine and human sacrifice.” [Emphasis in original]

As we have long noted in this space, Francis is focused almost exclusively on earth bound activities; most notably, so-called “social justice” and service to the poor.

The Cardinal observed that the rite makes these man-centered priorities evident:

There is a danger that the uniqueness of this offering will become blurred, so that participation in the immolation of the Victim comes to resemble a philanthropical meeting, or a charity banquet.

His Eminence further observed that the rite is designed in such a way as to strip the priest of his unique identity (surprise, surprise). He writes:

The priest’s position is minimized, changed and falsified. Firstly in relation to the people for whom he is, for the most part, a mere president, or brother, instead of the consecrated minister celebrating in persona Christi … Not a word do we now find as to the priest’s power to sacrifice, or about his act of consecration, the bringing about through him of the Eucharistic Presence. He now appears as nothing more than a Protestant minister.

The Cardinal suggested that his criticism, severe as it is, only scratches the surface:

A complete evaluation of all the pitfalls, the dangers, the spiritually and psychologically destructive elements contained in the document—whether in text, rubrics or instructions—would be a vast undertaking.

Even so, the courageous Cardinal did not hesitate to conclude:

By way of compensation, the new Liturgy will be the delight of the various groups who, hovering on the verge of apostasy, are wreaking havoc in the Church of God, poisoning her organism and undermining her unity of doctrine, worship, morals and discipline in a spiritual crisis without precedent.

If all that has been said thus far isn’t disturbing enough, the truly terrible news is that the “Mass” described by the Cardinal as having “every possibility of satisfying the most modernistic of Protestants” isn’t just coming to a parish near you; rather, it has been celebrated daily all over the Catholic world for nearly half-a-century!

As some readers have already discerned, the high-ranking curial official quoted in this article is none other than Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani and the BRIEF CRITICAL STUDY OF THE NOVUS ORDO MISSAE (otherwise known as the “Ottaviani Intervention”) that he produced along with Antonio Cardinal Bacci, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and a group of Roman Theologians.

NB: This article is much more than just a parody.

So-called “conservative” Catholics are rightly horrified at the idea that a “liturgy designed to unite Catholics and Protestants around the Holy Table” is in the offing. Many, I suspect, cannot even bring themselves to acknowledge that such a thing could ever possibly be dispensed by the hand of a pope.

And yet, if Cardinal Ottaviani and his collaborators have even come close to providing an accurate snapshot of the Novus Ordo Missae, it is clear that an “Ecumenical Mass” – one created with the deliberate intent of making Protestants comfortable – already exists in the so-called “Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite.”

Who can possibly deny that in Catholic parishes all over the world, militant homosexuals, abortion rights advocates, and notorious public heretics of various stripes have been waltzing up for Holy Communion, Sunday in and Sunday out, for decades on end?

In other words, persons who are quite obviously Protestant (in spite of pretending to remain Catholic) have long been openly invited to gather ‘round “the Holy Table.”

What’s more, it has long been reported, and in L’Osservatore Romano no less, that both John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger gave Communion even to those who openly identify as Protestant.

More recently, in November 2015, Francis publicly counseled a Lutheran woman in such a way as to grant her (and every other heretic paying attention) a license to receive Holy Communion at Mass.

So, what are we to make of these rumors about another “Ecumenical Mass” being in the offing; the motives for this one being more explicitly stated?

Once again, I’m having trouble finding cause for concern.

On the contrary, I say bring it on!

If nothing else, the introduction of such an abomination may serve to open the eyes of those who presently fail to understand that simply because the Novus Ordo was promulgated by Paul VI, this does not  mean that it was dispensed to the faithful by Holy Mother Church. As such, it may not necessarily be good, and may even be harmful.

With this in mind, even if the rumored “Ecumenical Mass” never comes to fruition, I am grateful for the rumor itself since it may have created enough concern among certain of the rank and file that they are willing to at least consider, for the first time in their lives, the dangers associated with the Novus Ordo as identified by Cardinal Ottaviani and his collaborators.

As such, please consider passing this article along to any “concerned conservatives” in your circle of influence.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: ecumenicalmass; francischurch; newmass; ottavani

1 posted on 11/06/2017 1:46:21 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

In the name of the parents, the offspring and the spiritual essence. So be it!


2 posted on 11/06/2017 1:51:16 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: ebb tide

And so continues a brouhaha that is as old as the Reformation.

FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH...

A lot of folks think about things that are spiritual as being somehow less real than matter as we know it. That’s almost certainly wrong. In fact the pre eminence of spirit over matter is proven by the bible verses that say that God is spirit, and that in Him all things hold together.

We crazy evangelical/Protestants believe we’re claiming MORE, not LESS than our Roman brethren when we say He puts in a spiritual presence in the communion elements.

To add what we might call a physical dimension (as is sometimes held to be VISIBLY manifested in Roman Catholic eucharistic miracles) is like gilding the lily. It might be done by God on occasion in order to appeal to us in our weakness in order to believe at all.

Although tending to worship Baptist style, I think my real concept of the phenomenon is most like Martin Luther’s “consubstantiation” except to say that it’s more than physical, not less. To try to elucidate more would be to delve into areas of metaphysics that God probably hasn’t allowed to be explained, less we puff up with pride at the knowledge.


3 posted on 11/06/2017 1:55:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ebb tide

... LEST we puff up with pride at the knowledge.


4 posted on 11/06/2017 1:57:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ebb tide

And in an odd way, in some sense we crazy evangelical/Protestants might be able to approach the “transubstantiation” claim from a different direction, that of a definition of body.

Let us posit that a body is a physical entity occupied by a spirit.

If the spirit of Christ can occupy the bread and the cup, then that very same matter has been repurposed, as it were, into being His “body.” It hasn’t changed of itself, however, unlike in the Roman doctrine.

Anyhow this is as far as I dare to go.

Experientially, most of the way I get the spirit of Christ is through direct faith — as even Roman Catholics know they must keep on doing when they have left the Mass. The boost I get at the communion is a side feature in my partaking of His spirit, not the main one. If anything I go into it as “Lord I believe; help Thou my unbelief.” Believing and obeying (carrying on according to the desires of the Spirit) is the thing that makes robust partaking in His Spirit possible. It is a flow — not a static thing.


5 posted on 11/06/2017 2:12:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Would you ever partake in Holy Communion in such a Mass, if comes true?


6 posted on 11/06/2017 2:33:31 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Well... for someone else to say something mistaken about the communion does not, to my best biblical understanding, make that communion invalid. Christ said what it would be. Priests don’t make it anything else. Ministers don’t make it anything else. I can only offer my educated guess beyond that. I think the idea of “it’s physical presence” came from the mistaken notion that physical, because we see it more readily than spiritual, is less than spiritual. That’s to judge reality with our senses, and takes us down the wrong road theologically. Just my opinion anyhow.

I might go as a cross-denominational outreach, but it sure might get me a lot of flak among my more literally Protestant brethren. But again I am used to that among Baptists. It’s amazing how vain some ministers can get, like they forget that the church facilities are supposed to be offered to Jesus Christ, not their own egos. Baptists are often close to Jews in the sense of “Three of them means four opinions.”


7 posted on 11/06/2017 2:45:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ebb tide

I mean... to say that physical, because we perceive it with our senses, is MORE than spiritual [pointing out that I think this misleads Christians theologically to do so].

Sorry about the confusion.

I’m actually facing off against some pretty thick and heavy evil right now. My locale says Nebraska. I’m actually in one different state where evil from another state has reached down into it. One never expects to meet the demimonde. Till one does. So prayers from ANY Christian — Roman Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox — on my behalf in fighting this evil would be more than welcome!!


8 posted on 11/06/2017 2:48:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ebb tide

All eyes will be on the USCCB.

The instant they comply with such an obviously heretical, and quite protestant bastardization of an already vandalized holy sacrament, there will be a sea change.

The change will amount to the establishment of one more protestant church. It will be the schismatic Bergoglio Church, not the Church, and no matter what they elect to call it, it will be the schismatic Bergoglio Church, and will simply be one more schismatic denomination.


9 posted on 11/06/2017 2:54:59 PM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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To: RitaOK

Divisions have more than one purpose, according to the bible. The wrong can leave the right, as well as the right leaving the wrong.

Has the USCCB actually come up with such a thing or are we talking about a hypothetical here? When I answered ebb tide, I was still thinking hypothetical. There’d need to be some definitions and stipulations agreed across all participants. A chief one being that spiritual is always superior to physical.

I mentioned that Baptists can be vain. Well so can Catholics, even as a collective body. There might have been centuries of arguing over premises that weren’t even valid.


10 posted on 11/06/2017 2:58:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: RitaOK

Unfortunately, the Protestant “Mass” has been upon us for decades now. Bergoglio is just taking the next logical heretical step.


11 posted on 11/06/2017 3:07:53 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

The worst heresy possible is age-old: self-worship.

The really sad thing I see is people from all branches of Christendom who are obviously walking like Christians saying that their counterparts in the other branches are really going to hell.

That has to give God a celestial Excedrin headache.


12 posted on 11/06/2017 3:13:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The worst heresy possible is age-old: self-worship.

And who does that besides atheists?

13 posted on 11/06/2017 3:29:17 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Christians become temporary functional atheists when a doctrine becomes bigger than the thing it is trying to talk about.


14 posted on 11/06/2017 3:30:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ebb tide

[Christians become temporary functional atheists when a doctrine becomes bigger than the thing it is trying to talk about.]

And I would say that is a danger that even I enter when I start to verge into “How clever this is!” rather than “Here’s what the Spirit put on my heart through the Bible and corroborated through experience.”

FR is a BIG temptation to vanity. BIG BIG BIG. In fact that makes a lot of it downright vapid. But occasionally meaningful spiritual exchanges take place.


15 posted on 11/06/2017 3:32:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ebb tide

Please pray for the conversion of pope Francis.


16 posted on 11/06/2017 3:47:29 PM PST by exPBRrat (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’ve posted a lot of words since, but you have never answered the question:

Would you partake in Holy Communion at an “ecumenical mass” with Catholics?

“Yes” or “No”?

As far as myself, I would never do so. Nor, would I assist at such a so-called “mass”.


17 posted on 11/06/2017 3:49:09 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Christians become temporary functional atheists when a doctrine becomes bigger than the thing it is trying to talk about.

Huh?

18 posted on 11/06/2017 3:54:18 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
And who does that besides atheists?

Please don't drag us into this nonsense argument. The reason there are so many denominational versions of the same god is that you each create one that believes exactly as you do. Then you pit your gods against each other in these mindless squabbles. That's the self worship.

19 posted on 11/06/2017 5:18:08 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill

Who do you worship, besides yourself?


20 posted on 11/06/2017 5:49:21 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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