Bergoglio Vatican celebrates Protestant Revolt with a stamp

Rorate Caeli ^ | October 31, 2017 | New Catholic

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Bergoglio Vatican celebrates Protestant Revolt with a stamp

This is just revolting. They do not even pretend it is not a true celebration of Luther, as the reproduction of the hagiographic

image of Luther and Melanchton makes clear.

This is the same hierarchy that expels its precious few young people from Brussels Cathedral for praying the Holy Rosary in front of a Lutheran pastor -- the beads are probably a "microagression" that "offends" heretics.

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What truly happened on October 31, 1517?

On All Hallows' Eve, a perverted monk in Upper Saxony, possessed by the prince of darkness, divided Christendom forever, and deprived billions of souls of Sacramental life.

[ctdonath2]

“Martin Luther Is Probably In Hell”

Upshot: acknowledge the RCC’s interpretation as absolutely correct, or go to Hell. Literally.
Rebuttal: Luther’s 95 Theses rather eloquently & clearly point out the raging absurdity of this. ...which is kinda the point of Luther’s 95 Theses.

[piusv]

The Vatican is no longer Catholic. Those with eyes will see.

The next question all Catholics need to ask: Since when has it not been Catholic? I, of course, say it has not been Catholic since Paul VI's promulgation of Vatican II. It just gets progressively worse.

[Popman]

——divided Christendom forever, and deprived billions of souls of Sacramental life.——

I’d take a sanctified life instead...

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Upshot: acknowledge the RCC’s interpretation as absolutely correct, or go to Hell. Literally.

I'll repeat myself. Do you believe in Purgatory?

[ctdonath2]

“Myths of the Reformation”

Upshot: author sets up 7 straw men, declares them “myths”, then proceeds to misrepresent them as actual Protestant holdings and thinks himself special by burning them down.
Rebuttal: Uh, ok. He just destroyed arguments that he admits are made up, not held by Protestants, and in doing so fails to address anything relevant.

[ctdonath2]

There. I’ve read & addressed your links.

How’s your reading of the 95 Theses going?

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I’ve read them years ago.

Why do you falsely accuse Catholics of believing only in two options at death: instant salvation or damnation?

Third time: Do you believe in Purgatory? If you don’t, stop implying Catholics do not believe in it either.

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There. I’ve read & addressed your links.

You may have read the titles; but I highly doubt you read the entire articles.

[ctdonath2]

“Do you believe in Purgatory?”

Did Christ ever refer to it? No. There isn’t an option of “you don’t actually have to ‘believe in Me’, you just have to endure time in a Cosmic Washing Machine and you’ll then be ready for Heaven, which since the duration there is eternal any time spent anywhere else is really irrelevant”. Christ made clear “you’re in, or you’re out” - no intermediary nor alternative process where others can pray/pay for your accelerated cleansing. Purgatory COMPLETELY misses the point of Christ’s message.

[ctdonath2]

“Then why did he dispense with the Holy Sacrament of Confession with absolution?”

It’s God’s business to hear one’s confession, not anothers’.

[ctdonath2]

“Unity with unrepentant heretics is not a possibility.”

Exactly. Hence Protestantism. You agree with Luther after all!

[Campion]

That isn’t what God said.

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Did you know that Luther once believed in Purgatory but later rejected it?

[ctdonath2]

Well, the link referenced sure didn’t give Luther any chance at Purgatory if it exists.

...which raises the recurring question of: if everyone not positively & perfectly confessing Christ gets a “second chance” at the Cosmic Washing Machine of Purgatory as a route to Heaven, then how does anyone end up in Hell? Christ made clear that no sin was greater than another*, that any sin committed whatsoever condemns one to eternal damnation - that’s rather counter to the whole concept/purpose of Purgatory.

(* - yes there’s one narrow arguable exception. I’m waiting for you to fall into that trap; it will mean more to you then.)

[ctdonath2]

“I’ve read them years ago.”

It would behoove you to read them again, in light of current discussion.

“Why do you falsely accuse Catholics of believing only in two options at death: instant salvation or damnation?”

I don’t.
I correctly accuse them of the opposite.

“stop implying Catholics do not believe in [Purgatory] either.”

How did I imply such? The whole point of the 95 Theses is that Catholics _do_ believe in Purgatory, and wantonly abuse the notion to their own hypocrisy.

[ctdonath2]

“I highly doubt you read the entire articles.”

Come now. They’re short. Of course I read them.

[ebb tide]

Ok. So you finally reveal that Purgatory may exist.

Now, if it doesn’t exist, why did Christ descend into “hell” after his death?

Do you believe Moses and Abraham were already in Heaven, prior to Christ’s birth and crucifixion?

[ctdonath2]

“Did you know that Luther once believed in Purgatory but later rejected it?”

Well duh. If you’d have actually read his 95 Theses, “Luther once believed in Purgatory” would have been staggeringly obvious - that’s what the whole screed is about! It’s like saying “Donald Trump at some point became interested in politics”. Luther’s entire argument therein isn’t “does Purgatory exist”, it’s “can indulgences get people out of Purgatory”.

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Well, the link referenced sure didn’t give Luther any chance at Purgatory if it exists.

How so? Care to show where it does?

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I’ve already told you. I have read them, yet you seem to pick and choose Luther’s writings that you choose to either accept or reject.