The Messiah in Yom Kippur

IFB ^ | 9/28/17 | Robin Sampson

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Believers in Messiah know that Yeshua (Jesus) has provided our atonement: “for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:23-24). God presented Him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in His blood. Yeshua's (Jesus') death surpasses and replaces the atonement ritual of the Jewish Temple. The book of Hebrews explains the ceremonies of the Day of Atonement as a pattern of the atoning work of Messiah. Yeshua (Jesus) is our high priest, and His blood shed on Calvary is seen as symbolized in the blood of bulls and goats. As the high priest of the Old Testament entered the Holy of Holies with the blood of his sacrificial victim, so Jesus entered heaven itself to appear before the Father on behalf of His people (Heb. 9:11-12) (Killian n.d.).

The Old Testament tabernacle was designed, in part, to teach Israel that sin hindered access to the presence of God. Only the high priest, and he only once a year, could enter the Holy of Holies, and then not without taking blood offered to atone for sins (Heb. 9:7). Hebrews notes that the levitical offerings could effect only the purification of the flesh. They ceremonially cleansed the sinner, but they could not bring about inward cleansing, the prerequisite for fellowship with God. Just as the high priest had to be sinless to enter the Holy of Holies and live, so Yeshua had to be sinless to live after He entered the grave.

But Messiah being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Yes, to you too! Are not tbe Scripture so clear on this! YESHUA IS MY lamb and Savior!

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Yes, what He did for us as the Scriptures so clearly teach.

Thank you! Psalm 110:1

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Yes, true Christianity (Messianic) is jewish to the core! Thanks for thst insight.

[AppyPappy]

Whenever I hear someone use “Yeshua” instead of “Jesus”, my first thought is always “this person will be strange”.

[AppyPappy]

You don’t get to have control today.
Tomorrow looks bad too

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Amen! Its all right there for all to see and believe if one chooses to!

Zech. 12:10-14 is the fulfillment of Yom Kippur because of Isa 53! All Israel will be saved as the sons of Abraham prophets taught. Isa. 53, 54:1

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Friend, be objective and listen to the prophets of Israel and not to me. I am no one but as tbe prophets spoke so do I share tbeir words. No blood, no atonement, no covering. Lev. 17, Isa 53. Those aren’t my words but Isaiah and Moses and Almivhty God the Creator of Heaven and earth. In all honesty you should be telling me these things, I a gentile dog.

Shalom In Messiah!

[chuckles]

No. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to change it. Christians have been "grafted in" to the vine. Jesus said He was the Vine, we are the branches. Christians are "adopted into God's family.

If we look up the people the High Priest can marry, it will be only a virgin from his own country. To be the Bride of Jesus, our High Priest, we must be "born again" into His family. God is NOT abandoning His family. Read Genesis 24 as a shadow of the Marriage of the Messiah. The servant is the Holy Spirit sent to Abraham's country to get a bride from a relative. Rebekah is the church and Isaac is Jesus.

The Mosaic covenant was with the Law. The Abrahamic covenant was with faith. We are now able to participate in the covenant with Abraham. God made the covenant with Himself, by Himself, for Himself.

When Jesus paid the price we owe, the veil was removed between us and Him, as prophesied in the OT for thousands of years. As prophesied in Zech, Joel, Ezekiel and others, There will be a final battle for Israel in the valley of Meggido where Jesus will come on a white horse to rescue His people from the attackers and they will be put in the "wine press" to cause blood as deep as a horses bridal for 184 miles. All of the Last Days will be for the rescue and conversion of the Jews in Israel. Zech 12:1-14.

Jesus didn't come to start a "new" religion, but to fulfill the one started with Abraham.

To be precise, "Christians" have become Jews and Jews will become "believers". The first church was called "The Way", which just means they understood the Scriptures in a new way. Paul was trained by the "Einstein" of the Pharisees. When Jesus appeared to Him on the road to Damascus, the Scriptures became clear to him about Jesus. The Holy Spirit gives us revelation to understand Scripture. Jesus "breathed" on the Apostles to open up Scripture to them. The Bible is written in such a way that it takes the Holy Spirit to open them up to a believer. First, second, and third readings, don't necessarily open what God is saying for the reader. There is a certain amount of study, not just reading, that is needed. Most Christians are taught by a guy that has a pamphlet from some governing body, that has no training at all. Denominations are the "traditions of men" spoken of in Scripture, so each one will put their slant on whatever they teach.

There are teachers, but you will most likely have to seek them out. Some good ones are Mark Biltz, loveisrael.com, chabad.org, torahclass.com, jewishjesus.com, and many more if you search for them. To try to separate Christianity from the Jews is a mistake of huge proportions. It comes from "replacement theology" which resulted in the Holocaust. Just as an example, theologians translated "synagogue" as a "Jewish gathering. They then translated "church" from ekklesia. The truth is synagogue is a called out assembly and ekklesia means called out assembly in Greek. The truth is the first pagan converts met in a Jewish synagogue with the Jews. By the time of the end of the first century, "Christians" were kicking Jews out of the churches the Apostles had built. 3 John 1:9-10. John was refused entry into a church run by a Greek. That's JOHN, the disciple Jesus loved!!

[Biggirl]

The good news is that the last 50-60 years relations between Jews and Christians have really gotten better. Maybe it is the realization that there is a lot more in common between the two faith groups.

[Biggirl]

But did not the seperation started when Paul was on one of his missionary travels,in Greece,there was disruption of the Christian community with the help of the local Jewish synagogue?

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Christianity violates the Torah Law prohibition of creating a new religion. G-d does not have a body or any form. He is not a dead man on a cross.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Nice try my friend but Messianic teaching or “Christianity” fulfills the law by the perfect life lived by Messiah and His propitiation work (Leviticus, Isa. 53). No sheep, cow or goat can ever take away sin but only “Kippur” (cover) them. Be objective and let the Torah testify to you for it is simple enough to see even for a gentile dog like me.

The Torah, prophets and Psalms states to all , be absolutely perfect but who among the offspring of Adam can be (Gen. 5:3, Lev. 1-17. Deut. 5:27-28, 6:4-5, Job 15:14, Psalm 51:5, Isa. 53:6, Ezek. 18:22)?, thus all (Jew and Gentile) fall short of Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUSNESS ETERNAL Person and His original creation or the prior creation of man in the Garden of Eden Gen. 1:31, 3). Where is your remission of sins? Lev. 16-17)?

Almighty God (Elohim) the Son - an ETERNAL Spirit- who has always existed with God the Father and the Holy Spirit (Yeh-w-y Elohim), put on a body of flesh prepared for Him by the Holy Spirit (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; 11:1; 53, Micah 5:2), thus He could live a perfect life and be man’s perfect propitiation (Isa. 53. A goat, bull, sheep, ram can NEVER atone for a fallen son of Adam who was made in the image and likeness of man. Man for a man (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; 11:1; 53, Micah 5:2). The sacrifes and the Torah are to point us to the coming Messiah who would shed His RIGHTEOUS blood and then rise again as the Scriptures teach (Psalm 110:1, Isa. 53, Zech. 12:10-14).

You are so right, He is not a dead man on a cross, you have a totally unbiblical perception of who Yeshua Messiah is. HE is risen from the dead for our justification! and whosoever calls upon the Lord or Yeshua shall be rescued from their transgressions (Gen. 3:15, Job 19:25-26, Psalm 2:7, 110:1, Isa. 53:9-12). My friend, may you be objective and see what the Scripture’s clearly state about the Messiah who paid the price for the sins of the world and rose from the dead to the Right hand of Almighty God (Psalm 110:1 Isa. 53).

Shalom in the risen Messiah of Israel (Isaiah 53:5)!

[boatbums]

Christianity violates the Torah Law prohibition of creating a new religion. G-d does not have a body or any form. He is not a dead man on a cross.

Only Christianity ISN'T a new religion, it is the continuation and fulfillment of the ONLY true faith beginning with Adam and Eve and as promised to Abraham - to whom God promised that all the nations of the earth will be blessed through him.

Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:6-28)

Almighty God (Jesus is the Immanuel - God with us) took on human form (Isaiah 7:14) to make atonement for the sins of the world - past, present and future - through His sinless shed blood perfect atonement was made and there was no further need for animal sacrifice (by his ONE sacrifice, He has perfected forever those who are sanctified by faith in Him). He did not remain dead on a cross, but rose again after three days - as He promised and He lives forever to make intercession with the Father for us. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. One day, EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to glory of God the Father.

[Bellflower]

If you don't believe in a devil, who do you think came to The LORD and petitioned Him to harm Job and kill his family? Go back and read the ancient Holy Scriptures, shared by both Jews and Christians, and you will find satan there. You will also, most assuredly find Yeshua there, The Son of The Holy One, over and over. Don't take my word for what's in ancient Holy Scripture, or for that matter anyone else', read it prayerfully and slowly, sinking in every word for yourself.

[Bellflower]

When Jesus came out of the tomb alive it showed forth that the sacrificial offering of His blood had been accepted at the throne of Almighty God. If it had not been accepted then He would have remained dead.

[chuckles]

I’m not familiar with this you speak of. My point is, if John came to my church and asked to speak, I can’t imagine not allowing him. Remember the first church was Jews. The separation should NOT be. As an adopted son, I will lean always towards Israel and the Jews. They are more my brother than some “Christian” organizations. The Bible is our anchor. Denominations separate us.

[boatbums]

When Jesus came out of the tomb alive it showed forth that the sacrificial offering of His blood had been accepted at the throne of Almighty God. If it had not been accepted then He would have remained dead.

Very true! The Christian faith is built upon the truth and witness of the resurrected Christ. As St. Paul wrote:

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. (I Corinthians 15:3-7)

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (I Cor. 15:12-22)

[Hrvatski Noahid]

You mentioned the Written Torah. The Written Torah means nothing without the explanations of the Oral Torah. The Oral Torah explains that any new religion which came after Sinai violates the Torah Law prohibition of creating a new religion. The new testament is clearly new compared to the Torah. You know that. Violating Torah Law does not fulfill it. And please do not flood me with sources. I cannot possibly respond to everything you write.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

The new testament is clearly new compared to the Torah. That is why it is called “new”. The new testament book of Galatians has no theological importance in Torah Law. It is the same as the koran. The Oral Torah explains that G-d does not have a human form. Again, please do not flood me with sources.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

The ancient Holy Scripture (Written Torah) means nothing without the explanations of the Oral Torah.