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To: grumpa
In understanding this passage, we must grasp the context, where we find several qualifiers. We first note that Revelation is filled with critical time-statements that limit the time of fulfillment of the events therein. There are some 30 passages at the beginning, middle, and end of Revelation that demand an imminent fulfillment soon after the book was written in the 60’s AD. The opening sentence in the book tells us that it is about events that MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE. We also see that the time was NEAR, Jesus would come QUICKLY/SOON, and these things were ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

You are correct, except for one minor detail...IT DIDN'T HAPPEN...

It could have happened...The conditions were right for it to happen...But for it to happen the Jews would have had to accept Jesus as their Messiah...The Great Tribulation would have taken place...Jesus would have returned where every eye will see him...Jesus would have set up shop in Jerusalem for a thousand years...BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN...

But what did happen was that while Jesus did not eliminate the Jews he put them on hold...And he gave an unbelievable offer to the Gentiles, to make the Jews jealous...And then he blinded their minds so that they could understand what Jesus was doing with the Gentiles...

So when Jesus is done with the Gentiles he will again turn to the Jews...The Great Tribulation will take place and finally ALL eyes will see Jesus return to earth and THEN he will set up his Kingdom in Israel, for a thousand years...

But the time is short...People must put their trust in Jesus Christ as their Saviour before Jesus takes his Gentile church out of here...

3 posted on 08/13/2017 6:37:46 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Hey. You get it.


4 posted on 08/13/2017 7:47:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Iscool

Iscool,
Revelation 20 doesn’t say anything about Jesus setting up shop in Jerusalem for a thousand years. It says the saints were resurrected and reigned with him for a thousand years, so the question is where is His throne? The earlier chapters make clear His throne is in heaven.

Scripture also never suggests the Jews as a nation or race would acknowledge and accept their Messiah. It’s true Paul says in Rom 11:26 that all Israel will be saved, but he’s being consistent with his theme in the previous 10 chapters that true Israel is not the physical descendants of Abraham but those who are of the Faith of Abraham.
You may appeal to Phil 2:10 that every knee should bow, but if you interpret that to mean that every knee will bow willingly in acceptance, you’d have to be a universalist. The ESV correctly says “should”, since the Christ is worthy of all glory. Nevertheless, in Matt 23:38 Jesus tells the Jerusalem (and by extension the adulterous Judaic system it represents) “Your house is left to you desolate.” The judgment Jesus pronounces in that passage is echoed in a dozen parables from the unfaithful steward, to the vineyard renters, to the kingdom inhabitants when the king goes to receive a kingdom in a far country, to the friends invited to a son’s wedding feast. In every one of those class of parables, the unfaithful servants are not converted or restored - they are cast out and a totally different group of people take their place.

Jesus will never be “done with” the Gentiles. The fullness of the gentiles came in (Rom 11:25) when they were fully accepted in the church, which happened before 70 AD.

Consider this: the double reaping of the wheat and tares (Matt 13:24-42), or sheep and goats (Matt 25:32-34), is fulfilled in Rev 14:14-20 as the two angels with sickles reap both the righteous to glory and unrighteous to the winepress of God’s wrath where their blood comes to the horse’s bridles. Yes, Josephus even confirms the deep blood river happened during the carnage of the Jerusalem siege.

It DID happen. Read Holford’s “The Destruction of Jerusalem” for a detailed account of the fulfillment, and realize Matt 24-25 inextricably ties the return of Christ, the Resurrection, and judgement to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. “IN THIS GENERATION”. Even if you disregard the clear reference to his own generation in the term “this generation”, at least admit that he plainly indicated it would all happen in the SAME generation. Christ’s return was to occur to the SAME generation as the one that experienced the destruction of the Temple.


5 posted on 08/14/2017 1:31:39 AM PDT by Paul_cibolo
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To: Iscool

You are correct, except for one minor detail...IT DIDN’T HAPPEN...


I believe Grumpa is right on, i believe it all has happened except i believe the ones in the first resurrection actually reigned here on earth for a thousand years.

I believe it is talking about the ones in the first resurrection literally living and reigning with Christ all together a thousand years in his spiritual kingdom.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

People has to be born of the holy spirit to be able to see that we are living in the kingdom of God here on earth, but we are not of this world so it is just a spiritual kingdom.


6 posted on 08/14/2017 1:34:21 PM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain words, please don`t preach it to me.)
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