Where have you BEEN; boy!
We've missed your brightly colored graphics for SUCH a long time;
and the kettle has been pining for the pot!!
Posted on 08/12/2017 7:16:17 PM PDT by ebb tide
Once again; a Catholic on FR shows his ignorance of the Book that his chosen religious organization assembled so long ago...
2 Peter 3:9
The LORD is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
One would think he'd at LEAST know the words of the First Pope!!
That link is an unmitigated load.
Of Catholic talking points.
Only Catholics can be true Christians???
Boy is that guy in for a surprise come Judgment Day.
I didn’t see anywhere in Scripture where either Jesus or the apostles told anyone they had to be Catholic or belong to a church to be saved.
We've missed your brightly colored graphics for SUCH a long time;
and the kettle has been pining for the pot!!
Watch out!
This is a TRIGGER for narses!!
You have honed the art of cherry picking to a new level.
The verse taking it to the church is only about settling disputes between believers. It does not have anything to do with submission to Catholicism.
So grabbing two isolated verses and gluing them together is absolutely cherry picking at its finest.
OTOH, posting a verse IN CONTEXT, with the surrounding verses in the passage, give it clarity and prevent it from leading into error.
You haven't seen elitist, exclusionary snobbery, until you deal with the Iglesia ni Cristo, and the followers of Quiboloy. They raise it to an art form, and even they are opposed to each other. The RCC, INC, and Quiboloy, are all at loggerheads with each other. I get out the popcorn.
Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine;
the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood,
so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Yup, go back into history and pick your favorite flavor of Catholicism and call everyone who doesn’t agree with your brand as *heretics*.
YOPIOC - Your Own Personal Interpretation of Catholicism.
I think it will be you who will be suprised.
The contradictions are glaring.
Religion saves NO ONE.
JESUS saves people.
Imputed Righteousness
Romans 3:21-28 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
Romans 4:1-8 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
Romans 4:9-12 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
Romans 4:13-25 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah's womb. No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
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Romans 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Romans 9:30-32 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
1 Corinthians 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
James 2:22-23 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
I John 5:10-13 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
He’s been shown that numerous times before. Obstinacy must be required to be Roman Catholic.
I am not worried either. Isn't it nice to have assurance of salvation? 😇😇😀🇵🇭
I think it will be you who will be suprised.
I'll take the promises of Christ over your opinion.
Besides...Roman Catholics aren't even sure if they'll make it to Heaven.
Christians on the other hand believe Jesus at His word.
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 5:24 NASB
The question is...do you believe this promise of Jesus?
There is no sacrament of penance.
Jesus never taught that someone had to work off their sin debt to be forgiven.
Because by it's very nature, forgiveness is a GIFT.
If it's paid for, then it's a debt paid and there's no forgiveness.
Catholics clearly don't understand what forgiveness is about.
It's being released form a debt owed with NO consequences or restitution required. Free and clear.
He has!
I'll take extra butter!
No, sir!
So grabbing two isolated verses and gluing them together is absolutely cherry picking at its finest.
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