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To: Zuriel
Now when one, that is under the guidance of the Spirit of God, speaks, that person is not speaking of himself, but for God.

And when precisely are we "under the guidance of the Spirit"? It seems to me that you feel that a person can manufacture holiness. Man is corrupt. When it comes to doing the things of God we are rebellious children. So, no, we will never speak for God unless God extends His grace and redeems us. Romans 1 is very clear that there is none that are righteous.

The Son operated almost constantly in that fashion. There are are very few instances where his will tried to speak, such as: “..

Our Lord Jesus ALWAYS was led by the Spirit. There are only two wills; God's will or our will. The verse you quote is a most excellent verse illustrating how our Lord Jesus was willing to sacrifice doing His will in order to do the Father's will.

Unless God changes our hearts we are constantly rebellious to doing our Lord's will. And, sadly, even after God changes our hearts to want to do His will, we still fail from time to time. But God is rich in His grace and mercy to help us grow towards doing His will. That is why we pray, "Thy will be done..." It isn't because of our desire to do His will. It is because He put it into our hearts.

I should hasten to add that we don't do God any favors by being righteous. God expects us to be righteous and to be led by the Spirit.

God commandments are not hard to keep.

It is our nature not to want to keep them. So, before God changes our hearts we will never do anything pleasing to God. God may direct our wicked path as He did Pharaoh, Caiaphas, or Judas, but we will never do anything pleasing to God.


252 posted on 08/18/2017 6:02:51 AM PDT by HarleyD (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.)
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To: HarleyD

**And when precisely are we “under the guidance of the Spirit”?**

Do you ever witness to someone about the Lord, and his testimony?

I said: The Son operated almost constantly in that fashion. There are are very few instances where his will tried to speak,

You said: Our Lord Jesus ALWAYS was led by the Spirit. There are only two wills; God’s will or our will. The verse you quote is a most excellent verse illustrating how our Lord Jesus was willing to sacrifice doing His will in order to do the Father’s will.**

In the middle of the verse, Jesus said: “If it be possible, take this cup from me...”. That is one of the rare examples of the man’s will trying to have a say. The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. The Son overcame by the power of God.


255 posted on 08/18/2017 11:26:29 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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