“”””Your post was good up to:
My son built all phases of the compound but he didn’t create it. I, the father did. Just like Jesus’ heavenly Father created Him first to create this world for us.
John plainly states that Christ was “In the beginning”. God the Father didn’t “create” another God. He and the Father are one. If you see Christ you see the Father. Thus, God the Father wasn’t created. Christ is the same as the Father. “”””
I agree, God the Father didn’t create another god, He created His son Jesus, our redeemer. He is one with the Father by His choice. If He wasn’t, it would be a sin.
“””Any types of analogies are poor but if you are so wrapped up in trying to figure out this mystery, and how the Father could begot the Son, and the Spirit proceeding from the Father/Son, I would suggest you think of God like a consuming fire. Within the overall fire another fire may start. The original fire didn’t create it. It is part of the overall fire. The two fires burning one inside another have the exact same essence as each other. They are inseparable and it is impossible to know where one ends and the other begins. From these two fires may proceed another fire. Same problem. It is all one fire but burning, smothering.
The fire is the same essence but may take on different characteristics throughout a wooded area.”””
Not sure where you found our Lord teaching that.
I believe Jesus is a man just like Adam.
“”””And, sadly, people who believe that are not Christians. Unless people understand that God died for their sins and their need to repent and accept God’s grace into their lives, they will die in their sins. Mormons believe Christ pattern is one to emulate so that they may live a good life. Well the truth is no one can live a good enough life for God. Only by accepting God’s grace to erase our sins can we find peace on earth and joy in heaven. Not because of any works that we’ve done but because of the works that He’s done.”””
I posted this scripture from Romans defining both Adam and Jesus as men. Unless you can find a translation which defines Jesus as a god you have to trust God knows what he is talking about.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
God did not die for our sins, the man Jesus Christ did.
Most catholics, I have encountered, are against scripture alone. They claim their religion is based on what Christ taught the Apostles and tradition.
“””I’m not sure of your background but you sound as if you’re a Mormon. Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Catholics, etc. are all against scripture alone. Each have external sources they refer to. This is a serious and fatal error. Eventually it leads to a work based religion. Christianity is what God did for us. Everything else is what we need to do for God.”””””
Hmmm I am only using scripture. Seems to me your are the one quoting from external sources.
“”””You just admitted Jesus did no miracles of his own. The fact Zuriel has been trying to have you understand.
You haven’t been listening to what I’ve been what I have been writing. ;O)
You are trying to separate God the Father from God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same essence. So when I say that our Lord Jesus did works through the Holy Spirit, I am not saying that He didn’t do any miracles of His own nor am I saying the Father didn’t do any miracles. They ALL did the miracles because there is only ONE God. Each have a different function but it all is performed by the One. It is just like part of the fire burning a branch. Which part did it?””””
I agree there is only ONE God
May God our Father lead us to His truth, BVB
And there is that old heresy-free will. Those who know me on this forum will know that for years I have stated that every single can be traced to the idea of "free will". If you have a "choice" to live like Jesus, then why don't you? Every choice you make should be just like His.
The truth of the matter is that we're sinners by nature. We cannot live like Christ. I'm not sure how many times I've stated this. But one does not have to listen to me. If people were honest with themselves and do a careful self examination they would realize the truth. Christ can set us free from the willful practicing of sin but we still will sin.
You compared Jesus to Adam. The trouble is Adam was created out of dust from the earth and God breathed life into him. Are you saying this is the same way Christ was created, God making Him from the dust of the earth and breathing life into Him? Then you are contradicting John 1:1-3. Are you saying Christ was created before the universe? Then Adam had a disadvantage didn't he? When precisely was Adam created versus Christ and why did Adam choose to fall?
Not sure where you found our Lord teaching that. I believe Jesus is a man just like Adam.
Ditto.
I posted this scripture from Romans defining both Adam and Jesus as men.
Christ came to earth as a man to become our sacrifice. He showed us that we could keep the law-we just don't want to. Just like Adam could have kept the law-he just didn't want to. Christ obedience paid the ransom for our sinfulness. We simply have to acknowledge that we really don't want to keep God's commands and ask Him to help us in overcoming this offense.
But this comparison is Christ humanity-Christ being perfect God and perfect man. If you don't understand the Trinity, you certainly will not understand the dual nature of Christ.
Most catholics, I have encountered, are against scripture alone. Hmmm I am only using scripture. Seems to me your are the one quoting from external sources.
Very clever but not true. You hide your Mormonism and the book of Mormon yet complain our Catholic friends are "against scripture". While our Catholic friends may rely upon tradition more than scripture, they are anything else but being against scripture. And yet you will say you do not have external sources? Please.
Find me in the scriptures where it states man has "free will". And I'm the one who you say have external sources?