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To: Zuriel
How can the Word be called God? Answer: God the Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the Father:

You ignore the fact that it states "...the Word became flesh and dwelled among us." The "Word" isn't some kind of symbolic reference. Rather the Word is Christ.

How did the Son of God declare the invisible God? The Father prepared him a body. And the Father is in the Son. (Care to prove that not to be true?)

I believe I quoted you John 1:1-3. He was in the beginning and all things were made through Him. I'm not exactly sure how, if ALL THINGS were made through Him how God the Father could have made Him a body. And certainly He couldn't have made Himself a body.

I will head down the home stretch with this from 1John 5:20: “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life”. Did you see God the Father in that verse?

While I admire your exercising, I'm not sure of your point. John is saying, in this case, our Lord Jesus to be the true God and eternal life. Is that your point? Then one has to wonder what happened to God the Father.

BTW-I see nothing in your comments about the workings of the Holy Spirit, although throughout scripture Christ credits His ministry, miracles, prayer and just about everything else to the workings of the Holy Spirit. In fact, it is the Holy Spirit which dwells in a believer that empowers us. You seem to be saying that the Father empowered Christ. How does the Holy Spirit relate to any of this?

134 posted on 08/15/2017 6:27:52 PM PDT by HarleyD (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.)
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To: HarleyD

**You ignore the fact that it states “...the Word became flesh and dwelled among us.” The “Word” isn’t some kind of symbolic reference. Rather the Word is Christ.**

I haven’t ignored that. I been using scriptures to show that the Son of God is “in the bosom of the Father” (John 1:18), lives because of the Father (5:26; 6:57), doesn’t do his own will, just the Father’s (4:34; 5:30; 6:38-40; 7:16-18; 8:28,29; 12:44,45,49,50)(some of those references are found in my post with the over “100” list).

I simply believe that the scriptures are plain that the Father is in Christ. So when you think you’ve found Christ isolated, the Father is there. As I asked: prove that the Father is not there.

And if the Father is there, the Holy Spirit is there, for he proceeds from the Father. I have not ignored the Spirit, for I have pointed out that he doesn’t speak of himself, but like the Son, only does the will of the Father.

I gave you 1John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life”.

And asked: Did you see God the Father in that verse?

Your response: **While I admire your exercising, I’m not sure of your point.**

Exercising? What is ignoring John 17:1-3?

You continue: **John is saying, in this case, our Lord Jesus to be the true God and eternal life.**

Is that a personal interpretation of 1John 5:20? Then I can see why you would avoid John 17:1-3.

In 1John 5:20 we see “that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS Son Jesus Christ....”.

**Then one has to wonder what happened to God the Father.**

The Father is “HIM, HIM, and HIS”. I know this because that was what the Son did the whole time while here on earth: give us an understanding that we may know HIM that is true. The Son ALWAYS was doing the will of the Father; ALWAYS giving HIM the glory.

And the Father glorified the Son for doing so.

Does this part seem somehow familiar? “...and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS Son Jesus Christ...”.....

It should, for here it is: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also might be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” John 17:21


138 posted on 08/15/2017 10:05:44 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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